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What sort of tubing is that? Could you send me a link?
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post #31042 of 106457
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I am pretty sure it has been stated a million times around here that loop order does not affect temps.

Well according to my fluid temp sensors there is a 1.5 to 2 degree warm up from the start of my loop to the end of my loop. Depending on the current system load.

 

I guess that the temp drop after running through the rad is a figment of my imagination. I have also moved the temp sensors around to see that the fluid into my 360 is being dropped by 1 to 1.5 degrees form entry of the rad to exit of the rad.

 

The temps all rise at the same time when load is applied but the temp difference between before the rad and after the rad should be different.

 

I can physically watch this on my G-Vans controller. The second from right is the temp for the start of my loop and the farthest right is the temp at the end. The left temp is a senor on my CPU block and the second from the left is a sensor on my GPU block.


Edited by Hooded - 11/4/12 at 5:41am
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post #31043 of 106457
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Well according to my fluid temp sensors there is a 1.5 to 2 degree warm up from the start of my loop to the end of my loop.

 

I guess that the temp drop after running thru the rad id a figment of my imagination. I have also moved the temp sensors around to see that the fluid into my 360 is being dropped by 1 to 1.5 degrees form entery of the rad to exit of the rad.

 

The temps all rise at the same time when load is applied but the temp difference between befor the rad and after the rad should be different.

 

I can phyisacilly watch this on my G-Vans controller. The second from right is the temp for the start of my loop and the fartest right is the temp at the end. The left temp is a senor on my cpu block and the seconf from the left is a sensor on my gpu block.

 

Most definitely the temps are going to be alil lower at the return side of your rad compared to the intake side. If it weren't then your rad wouldn't be doing it's job. I have been told how loop order doesn't really matter in regards to final temps on your system once it's up and running for a few minutes. But your temps should always be alil different from the intake side to the return side. Especially on rad from 240mm in size and up. I think what NHS meant is the order isn't going to change your final temps which I also agree with. As long as your res is before your pump the res is more of and asthetic preference than an actual performance changing decision. Is that what you were getting at NHS?

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post #31044 of 106457
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Guys I have another question. I have the return line from the last radgoing to the top of my cylinder res. Now my dilema is this when I shut it offI hear the rads gurgeling as the water runs down the line and into the res and air replaces the water. Every time I start my rig up it takes a few seconds for the air to be pushed back out of it. Is that dangerous for my pump? Should I turn my res around and just run the return to the bottom of the res or can I just fill the res fully to the top so there is no air at all in it? Any help with this be apreciated. Thanks in advance to anyone that helps also.

Here's a pic of my build so you can get an idea what I'm talking about. (I know the top half of my psu cover isn't on. That's because I'm still doing some work on it and rather wait till I'm somewhat done to reinstall it)
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Chino,

If you can't connect the return at the bottom of the res, then use an extension tube down inside the res, so that the water effectively exits the return line at least an inch or so below the normal water level in the res.

Here's a pic of mine, you can see the black extension tube coming down from the top to about 3/4" above the bottom.

As water tends to drain down by gravity, it compresses the air at the top of the res untill the pressures equalize. As long as the water exits the tube below the surface, the air in the res can't get back up into the tube to create that big air bubble at the next startup. The caveat here is to have a sufficiently full res so there's minimal air to compress relative to the water quantity directly held in the verticle line.

Not sure what your top res connection options are, but mine has 3, so I have a led cap in the second and a bleed / fill tube in the third so that the only airspace in my cylinder res is a little in the bleed tube actually above the cylinder res top.


Darlene



Edited by IT Diva - 11/4/12 at 5:56am
post #31045 of 106457
Yes the water will vary a bit around your loop, but in most cases the differences in temp from component to component will only change minimally (few fractions of a degree). Yes loop order does matter, but it's so imperceptible that often the increased restriction from extra tubing is a greater hindrance.
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Well according to my fluid temp sensors there is a 1.5 to 2 degree warm up from the start of my loop to the end of my loop. Depending on the current system load.

I guess that the temp drop after running through the rad is a figment of my imagination. I have also moved the temp sensors around to see that the fluid into my 360 is being dropped by 1 to 1.5 degrees form entry of the rad to exit of the rad.

The temps all rise at the same time when load is applied but the temp difference between before the rad and after the rad should be different.

I can physically watch this on my G-Vans controller. The second from right is the temp for the start of my loop and the farthest right is the temp at the end. The left temp is a senor on my CPU block and the second from the left is a sensor on my GPU block.

You look at temps of the loop as a whole, not at each individual component. Go ahead and change your loop order anyway you like and you'll still get roughly that same temp difference between the beginning and the end of the loop (within .1 or so C).
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What sort of tubing is that? Could you send me a link?

Here you go:
https://www.dazmode.com/store/product/feser_tube_uv_hose_-_3_8_id_-_1_2_od_-_silver_lowuv_blue_1_/
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Yes the water will vary a bit around your loop, but in most cases the differences in temp from component to component will only change minimally (few fractions of a degree). Yes loop order does matter, but it's so imperceptible that often the increased restriction from extra tubing is a greater hindrance.


It depends on what components you have:

It takes 264 watts to raise the water temp 1 C with a 1gpm flow rate.

A quad GPU system with OC'd hi end gpus could add 5C to the water temp, hence the use of dual loops or interim rads in single loop configurations.

If you're running the CPU after the GPU's and raise the water temp by 5C upon exiting the last GPU, That's at least 5C that the cpu will be increased by.


It takes several meters of 1/2" tubing to equal the restriction of one sharp 90 degree connector.

Tubing length makes its difference known in the aesthetics and perhaps air flow disruption. Several extra feet of tubing isn't even enough to make any measurable difference in temps because of added restriction.


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post #31049 of 106457
Building in my new CaseLabs Merlin SM8 case with top mounted pedestal soon. Using a 3 rad "U" top venting config.

Which is the best paraelle loop plan? Here are 3 loop plans that actually make use of all three inlets of the Swiftech Apogee HD CPU Waterblock (with the 3 inlet Swiftech Maestrom Res with a MCP35X2 pump attached):

1. Normal loop for reference:

http://twitter.com/NE0ZUK0/status/265088103071494145/photo/1

2. T-Line convergence paraelle loop:

Parallel loop plan with 3 outlet Apogee HD. Flow: Res, pump, Apogee HD, split into 3 lines, T-Line convergence, rads. http://twitter.com/NE0ZUK0/status/265092580700745728/photo/1

3. Backwards rads with 3 inlet Swiftech Maelstrom res convergence (the pump would get hot water, but in theory the hottest part of the loop to the coldest part should be within a few degrees no matter what you do):

Rad backwards parallel loop plan with 3 outlet Apogee HD. Flow: Pump, rads, Apogee HD, 3 Lines, 3 inlet res convergence. http://twitter.com/NE0ZUK0/status/265092209571930113/photo/1

4. And my favorite, the split rad hybrid convergence design for super low restriction (I think this is so elegant I may just use this plan. Any opinions?):

Parallel loop plan with 3 outlet Apogee HD. Flow arrow marked, split rad hybrid convergence design for low restriction. http://twitter.com/NE0ZUK0/status/265094022228496384/photo/1

By the way I'm getting really really good at drawing on my iPhone as you can see!! LoL. And this is the only way I know how to host pics from my iPhone so sorry about the Twitter links... Feel free to host/post the pics for me, that would be awesome!!
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4930k @ 4.6Ghz Asus Rampage IV Extreme (Koolance Full WB) 2 x GTX 1080ti FE in SLI (EK WATERBLOCK) Corsair Dominator GT 2133 MHz (16GB) 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
3 TB Seagate OCZ Vertex 4 256GB Crucial M4 128GB ADATA SX900 128GB 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
RIVE Koolance Waterblock (VRM and PCH) Feser X-Changer 360 Feser X-Changer 240 Feser X-Changer 480 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
WaterCool MoRA3 Pro with Gentle Typhoon 3 x MCP 655 pumps (With EK top...all serial) 2 x EK FC 1080ti Blocks Windows 7 Ultimate x64 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Asus ROG Swift PG348Q (3440x1440 @100hz) CrossOver 27Q Led-P Logitech G15 EVGA SuperNova 1600T2 (Titanium) 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair Obsidian Heavily Modded Logitech G700 RocketFish Speed/Control M-audio AV-40 (Logitech G-35) 
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Quad Damage
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4930k @ 4.6Ghz Asus Rampage IV Extreme (Koolance Full WB) 2 x GTX 1080ti FE in SLI (EK WATERBLOCK) Corsair Dominator GT 2133 MHz (16GB) 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
3 TB Seagate OCZ Vertex 4 256GB Crucial M4 128GB ADATA SX900 128GB 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
RIVE Koolance Waterblock (VRM and PCH) Feser X-Changer 360 Feser X-Changer 240 Feser X-Changer 480 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
WaterCool MoRA3 Pro with Gentle Typhoon 3 x MCP 655 pumps (With EK top...all serial) 2 x EK FC 1080ti Blocks Windows 7 Ultimate x64 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Asus ROG Swift PG348Q (3440x1440 @100hz) CrossOver 27Q Led-P Logitech G15 EVGA SuperNova 1600T2 (Titanium) 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair Obsidian Heavily Modded Logitech G700 RocketFish Speed/Control M-audio AV-40 (Logitech G-35) 
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