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Nope, twitter pics don't link with the image button and I can't upload from my iPhone any other way yet. I'm open to suggestions. When I get to a PC I can upload them to my Google Plus and host, but god only knows when that will be, the PC is not up and running yet.

And option 4 is the best IMHO, that one you hosted (option 1) was only for normal loop reference. I was playing around with the 3 outlets of the Apogee HD, and I'll have 3 inlets on the Maelstrom Res.
Edited by Neo Zuko - 11/4/12 at 7:05am
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It depends on what components you have:
It takes 264 watts to raise the water temp 1 C with a 1gpm flow rate.
A quad GPU system with OC'd hi end gpus could add 5C to the water temp, hence the use of dual loops or interim rads in single loop configurations.
If you're running the CPU after the GPU's and raise the water temp by 5C upon exiting the last GPU, That's at least 5C that the cpu will be increased by.
It takes several meters of 1/2" tubing to equal the restriction of one sharp 90 degree connector.
Tubing length makes its difference known in the aesthetics and perhaps air flow disruption. Several extra feet of tubing isn't even enough to make any measurable difference in temps because of added restriction.
Darlene

Yes I agree that coming out of any component there will be a temperature difference present. Exiting a 1080 radiator you'd certainly hope that your fluid temps are lower, same with coming out of a GTX 690 the temperature will be higher. And yes, if you are running 4 GPU's a 2nd loop is usually in order.

As I said in most cases the difference in actual component temps, not fluid temps, are not effected greatly by the order. And finally, even if your fluid temp is raised 5*C coming out of your quad GPU's that does not mean that you are actively heating your CPU by 5*C. I'm unsure on just what the ratio is to determine the number, and am about to go to breakfast with the wife so can't look it up, it just lowers the amount of heat that can then be pulled away from your CPU.

Hope I made that clear, being rushed that it's time to go.
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Yes I agree that coming out of any component there will be a temperature difference present. Exiting a 1080 radiator you'd certainly hope that your fluid temps are lower, same with coming out of a GTX 690 the temperature will be higher. And yes, if you are running 4 GPU's a 2nd loop is usually in order.
As I said in most cases the difference in actual component temps, not fluid temps, are not effected greatly by the order. And finally, even if your fluid temp is raised 5*C coming out of your quad GPU's that does not mean that you are actively heating your CPU by 5*C. I'm unsure on just what the ratio is to determine the number, and am about to go to breakfast with the wife so can't look it up, it just lowers the amount of heat that can then be pulled away from your CPU.
Hope I made that clear, being rushed that it's time to go.

Exactly this.

Except the fluid temp is not raised even by that amount,1-2c is more in order.
Edited by B NEGATIVE - 11/4/12 at 8:01am
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For You Neo Zuko


I tend to prefer with less tubing (option 1) would be my best. Or second best is (option 4)


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Building in my new CaseLabs Merlin SM8 case with top mounted pedestal soon. Using a 3 rad "U" top venting config.
Which is the best paraelle loop plan? Here are 3 loop plans that actually make use of all three inlets of the Swiftech Apogee HD CPU Waterblock (with the 3 inlet Swiftech Maestrom Res with a MCP35X2 pump attached):

1. Normal loop for reference:





2. T-Line convergence paraelle loop:

Parallel loop plan with 3 outlet Apogee HD. Flow: Res, pump, Apogee HD, split into 3 lines, T-Line convergence, rads.




3. Backwards rads with 3 inlet Swiftech Maelstrom res convergence

(the pump would get hot water, but in theory the hottest part of the loop to the coldest part should be within a few degrees no matter what you do):
Rad backwards parallel loop plan with 3 outlet Apogee HD. Flow: Pump, rads, Apogee HD, 3 Lines, 3 inlet res convergence.







4. And my favorite, the split rad hybrid convergence design for super low restriction

(I think this is so elegant I may just use this plan. Any opinions?):
Parallel loop plan with 3 outlet Apogee HD. Flow arrow marked, split rad hybrid convergence design for low restriction.







By the way I'm getting really really good at drawing on my iPhone as you can see!! LoL. And this is the only way I know how to host pics from my iPhone so sorry about the Twitter links... Feel free to host/post the pics for me, that would be awesome!!

Edited by KaRLiToS - 11/4/12 at 8:28am
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Wow thanks!! That's so perfect!! I spent all night drawing on my iPhone!! I literally scratched all that out with my bare fingers!! biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

:::EDIT:::

I just realized that the Swiftech 4-port Manifold Fitting, the part I labeled "T" for T-Line, it resembles a rounded cube (or dice) with 4 compression ports on 4 facing sides, is most effective as in option 4's drain port. By combining the T-Line fill/drain with a convergence point. I might be able to use that in other loop plans.
Edited by Neo Zuko - 11/4/12 at 8:13am
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Yes I agree that coming out of any component there will be a temperature difference present. Exiting a 1080 radiator you'd certainly hope that your fluid temps are lower, same with coming out of a GTX 690 the temperature will be higher. And yes, if you are running 4 GPU's a 2nd loop is usually in order.
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Hope I made that clear, being rushed that it's time to go.

No it's not, and that's been also debunked as the differences will be minimal. It'll also clutter up the inside of the case adding air restriction and noise. It'll also cost you much more and net you much less (law of diminishing returns). My 580's run in series (Tri-SLI) at 951 core and 1.15v folding 18/7 with the cpu. I get a 3c difference from entry to exit in water temps. So water coming out of my puter is at 13c and coming in at 10c, and that's with a series tri SLI config...
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No it's not, and that's been also debunked as the differences will be minimal. It'll also clutter up the inside of the case adding air restriction and noise. It'll also cost you much more and net you much less (law of diminishing returns). My 580's run in series (Tri-SLI) at 951 core and 1.15v folding 18/7 with the cpu. I get a 3c difference from entry to exit in water temps. So water coming out of my puter is at 13c and coming in at 10c, and that's with a series tri SLI config...

I have 2 CPU blocks,2 MOBO blocks and 3 FC GPU blocks....all on one loop,no problems at all
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Only have a CPU and 1 GPU in my loop. Sorry for giving false information on the dual loop issue.
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Only have a CPU and 1 GPU in my loop. Sorry for giving false information on the dual loop issue.

It's not "false", it does work. It's just that it's not as good as what people make it out to be. If you have extra money and a big case a dual loop can work great. I single series wouldn't be very far behind for hundreds less however. And a dual loop in an ATX sized case starts to make thing cramp up a little. thumb.gif
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