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Iv heard alot ofbad thingsabout the Silver KillCoil...
http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/EK-IMAGES/Corrosion_Report_Final.pdf

I've used a silver kill coil with all kinds of blocks in all kinds of rigs. No issues. Ever.
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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post

I am not using a Killcoil. Of course my system is in a very low natural light area(like almost none) and I'm using opaque tubing. With no direct light on the Reservoir I really don't need it and my tubing has Biocide embedded in it. Not that that matters too much with the Leeching going. Which is why I suggest Durelene(sp?) because it seems not to leach as bad as the rest of the tubing on the market.
So if your system doesn't get direct sunlight on it, you really don't need a Killcoil. I wouldn't put too much stock in the excuses that EK made regarding Killcoil. People that have never used it have had issues with EK. I'm not sure what is causing the issues but I do think that Killcoil gets a bad rap where EK is concerned because no other manufacturer is having this problem where the plating is concerned. 2cents.gif
~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

That^^

Blaming a kill coil or Cu Nuke when other products with Ni plating dont suffer the same problems was a bit much. The whole report (like most scientific reports) was a collection of "if's buts and maybe's".

I have 10 drops of Cu Nuke in my SR-2,when its strip down time in a few months lets see if my blocks are damaged in any way....I have a feeling my Watercool blocks will be fine......

I have to say,just an absence of light is not what i would consider bio protection and I would urge people to use some form of Biocide,which one you use is your choice however.

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Originally Posted by Fuganater View Post

I've used a silver kill coil with all kinds of blocks in all kinds of rigs. No issues. Ever.

This also.
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Lots of great info here, thanks! I will probably go for a Silver KillCoil.

Im planning a later build, and i'v come to a spot where I cannot find the answer. What pump will be enough for CPU-block, GPU-block and a 3x120 radiator? Will the MCP655 be overpowered for this? Keep in mind that this is a mITX case with 4+ 90-degree fittings.
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If he goes w/ a 360mm one, he should have plenty of space to clear the slot brackets. A 480mm Monsta is a real challenging task to accomplish thumb.gif
Heck, I'm just have a couple of mm w/ only a push set of fans on my top Monsta 360mm redface.gif

He's stated before that he's adding 3" to the top. I dunno the size of the rad, but this case is a problem - on reverse atx, it has 54mm of room from inside case top to the top of the expansion slots cage.
In normal atx setup, there's 50mm of room before hitting the usb jacks on most mobos - if they're at the top. My asus z77 deluxe qualifies.

So ... yah. I'm curious to see his solution, coz this case was id-ed by the company as having 480 and 240 rad compatibility and I hit the trigger before I knew what I was getting into .... and back in July, is when I bought mine and then ran across the new 80mm Monsta and natchly, wanted sum of dat !
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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post

I am not using a Killcoil. Of course my system is in a very low natural light area(like almost none) and I'm using opaque tubing. With no direct light on the Reservoir I really don't need it and my tubing has Biocide embedded in it. Not that that matters too much with the Leeching going. Which is why I suggest Durelene(sp?) because it seems not to leach as bad as the rest of the tubing on the market.
So if your system doesn't get direct sunlight on it, you really don't need a Killcoil. I wouldn't put too much stock in the excuses that EK made regarding Killcoil. People that have never used it have had issues with EK. I'm not sure what is causing the issues but I do think that Killcoil gets a bad rap where EK is concerned because no other manufacturer is having this problem where the plating is concerned. I really don't think that using Killcoil leads to corrosion. It's always possible but as I said above if you don't need it don't worry about using it at all. 2cents.gif
~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

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Originally Posted by Fuganater View Post

I've used a silver kill coil with all kinds of blocks in all kinds of rigs. No issues. Ever.

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Originally Posted by B NEGATIVE View Post

That^^
Blaming a kill coil or Cu Nuke when other products with Ni plating dont suffer the same problems was a bit much. The whole report (like most scientific reports) was a collection of "if's buts and maybe's".
I have 10 drops of Cu Nuke in my SR-2,when its strip down time in a few months lets see if my blocks are damaged in any way....I have a feeling my Watercool blocks will be fine......
I have to say,just an absence of light is not what i would consider bio protection and I would urge people to use some form of Biocide,which one you use is your choice however.
This also.

I agree with what you's are saying totally, about the kill coil. There is to much proof showing they are OK.

But I have to agree with B neg. more then Ceadder in this case about natural light. Because natural light will help bacteria grow, but the UV light from the sun is also one of the best means of controlling bacteria growth.

At work we run rain water past a UV light (proper UV light, not a black light) to stop and control bacteria, and the Council and EPA have accepted this a safe means for controlling bacteria growth.
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Because natural light will help bacteria grow, but the UV light from the sun is also one of the best means of controlling bacteria growth.
At work we run rain water past a UV light (proper UV light, not a black light) to stop and control bacteria, and the Council and EPA have accepted this a safe means for controlling bacteria growth.

Not to mention that there are several types of microbe that are capable of thriving in hot water with absolutely no natural light (hot water springs deep in caves for example) simple light control is no guarantee. The likelihood of any of these organisms actually being present in either your tubing, blocks, or DI water... is pretty much nil but in principle only having warm water and no natural light isn't reason enough to assume 0% bio-growth.

I decided not to do a SKC in my rig, but I'm using Dead Water (Cu Nuke). I think the primary advantage of the coil is that if you aren't somewhat obsessive about maintenance then you'll probably still be fine since the coil should work for years depending on the purity of the silver. If you're using biocide (IIRC) it slowly loses efficacy over time so you need to add a couple of drops every 6-8 weeks to maintain the levels. I plan on completely draining/flushing/refilling mine (along with cleaning all my dust filters) every 2 months... but I'm pretty OCD when it comes to cleaning the inside of my PCs. rolleyes.gif
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I agree with what you's are saying totally, about the kill coil. There is to much proof showing they are OK.
But I have to agree with B neg. more then Ceadder in this case about natural light. Because natural light will help bacteria grow, but the UV light from the sun is also one of the best means of controlling bacteria growth.
At work we run rain water past a UV light (proper UV light, not a black light) to stop and control bacteria, and the Council and EPA have accepted this a safe means for controlling bacteria growth.
Right. But that is a very high output UV, and is very commonly used in the bottled water industry and others for killing bacteria as well as pumping stations at the source. How effective it is depends on the strength of the UV, contact time and flow rate of the water passing the UV light.
Also ozone is often used but it's sort of a "one shot" deal as it works to kill bacteria and then dissipates. Since ozone is also highly corrosive it's used within stainless steel containers/piping primarily.

I haven't been water cooling that long (7 months) but both my w/c rigs are using just silver coil and I've yet to see any bad effects.
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The EK non-CSQ blocks aren't hard to get IF you can be happy with the Acetyl versions. At least EK & PPCs still had them recently when I bought my last one. These aren't Nickel plated though.
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Looking great! whats the temp on those gpu full load?

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Such hot product! great photography btw, you gonna use that on your upcoming build or its been done?
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