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Originally Posted by pc-illiterate View Post

of course. why do you think swiftech made the stacker series and even included the stubby fittings with the rad? but i dont know of anywhere that has tests posted. i never googled it.

*EDIT* i'll be damned. google worked this time.
https://www.google.com/search?q=swiftech+stacker+rads+tested&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
notice martin and skinnee have links in there.

Damn time traveling mind readers. They keep stealing my ideas.
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post #37752 of 106458
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As you are in Vancouver, are you planning on getting one in Canada or the US?
I bought two of the EK blocks for my 7950's from Performance PC, with EK backplates. Their prices are quite good, but you'll get dinged for duty charges.
You will have to decide which block you like best for looks, if you don't mind the crop circles on the EK 7970 block, etc.
I doubt if there is much of a difference in performance between the two blocks, you have to decide which one looks better, cost, etc.
Thanks for the advice I'll be ordering from daz mode good prices and their in Canada so ill have to make my pick between the koolance the ek and the heatkiller. I'll just decide which one looks best thumb.gif
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post #37753 of 106458
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Originally Posted by Red1776 View Post

Well i got the rough in done. lots of wire sleeving and have to replace the orange tubing, but temps Are great .
Heaven maxes GPU's out@ 43C @ 24C ambient. Running full parallel cooling.




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That cpu even with those clocks bottleneck those cards.. rigth?
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post #37754 of 106458
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if my rad got some limestone on it how to remove it?

no one?
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Originally Posted by DerComissar View Post

As you are in Vancouver, are you planning on getting one in Canada or the US?
I bought two of the EK blocks for my 7950's from Performance PC, with EK backplates. Their prices are quite good, but you'll get dinged for duty charges.
You will have to decide which block you like best for looks, if you don't mind the crop circles on the EK 7970 block, etc.
I doubt if there is much of a difference in performance between the two blocks, you have to decide which one looks better, cost, etc.
Thanks for the advice I'll be ordering from daz mode good prices and their in Canada so ill have to make my pick between the koolance the ek and the heatkiller. I'll just decide which one looks best thumb.gif
That will save you a bundle on shipping and duty buying from Daz.thumb.gif
Decisions, decisions!
    
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post #37756 of 106458
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i am not an expert but i think you will do better in push then in pull. and the performance increase of having a monsta in push/pull rather then just push is minuscule is what i've read... these extra think rads are made for quite performance so they have less FPI so that more air can pass through them easier with a single set

You are correct about Push being better than Pull, especially when it comes to radiators with significant resistance to flow (air-flow).

However, I have to disagree with your presumption that "thick radiators benefit little from push-pull because of low fin count" (paraphrasing). The resistance does not only come from the surface area of the fin cross-sections, but also from the distance the air must travel while "pressurized" by the fan, which results in friction developing, the airflow slowing down, and the loss in airflow velocity means that more already-warmed-up air is getting "trapped" (slowing down significantly) 1/2 to 2/3rds of the way through the radiator, and this warmed-up air cannot absorb the heat from the fins anywhere NEAR as effectively as it can when it's cooler.
Now, when you have push-pull, you don't have this issue because you're essentially maintaining a constant airflow velocity through the radiator at all times. The air travels through the rad so much more quickly that it does not have time to significantly heat up, it doesn't slow down enough that a significant boundary layer is likely to occur, and whatever boundary layer DOES occur is much more easily dispersed by the increased turbulence (from the increased velocity) of the Push-Pull fans' airflow.

In my own testing, I have found that thinner shrouds work best in Push-Pull setups, specifically the Phobya 120/140x7mm Shrouds/Decouplers; however, JUST AS IMPORTANT as the shroud is the seal!! The new XSPC Radiator Gaskets look like a fantastic product, especially at only $2.50 or so... By sealing the area between the fans and the radiator, as well as between the fans/radiator and the case, you are essentially maximizing the existing static pressure, giving the air nowhere to go but through the fins. It's the same exact idea as a case running positive pressure; if you leave panel gaps and such, the air will escape through every little crevice, no matter how invisible, but if you seal everything up then you can easily run a directed-airflow case without a single exhaust fan!

Point is: with the Alphacool NexXxoS Monsta 84mm-thick radiators, STATIC PRESSURE IS KING! The best way to do this without creating one heck of a racket is with push-pull fans, as even when comparing 6x 25mm-thick fans in push-pull against 3x 38mm-thick fans in just push/just pull, the 25mm fans will be able to run at a lower speed to achieve the same level of cooling, which has two big benefits:
1) It's quieter for the vast majority of the time, and
2) There is still likely significant "overhead" should it be needed, simply be turning up the fans (whereas the Push-only/Pull-only setups would be running much closer to their maximum already).
   
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My first custom loop. Nothing out of the ordinary here, I'm new to custom water cooling so I want to ease my self in to this.
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  • i7 920 cooled by Swiftech Apogee HD
  • 2x EVGA GTX 680 SC's with XSPC Razor Blocks
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  • 4x Gentle Typhoon 1150 (AP-13)
  • Swiftech MP655-SE Pump
  • Switech Maelstrom Res
  • Tygon R3603 5/8 OD 3/8 ID tubing, yes I know of its leeching problem. I will be watching it very closely and will replace it when I flush my system in 6 months or earlier if needed
  • Swiftech Lok Seal Compression Fittings
  • Primochill PC Pure Clear Fluid


If your wondering why I have 2 floppy SLI connectors, my 2 680's act like spoiled brats and demand both SLI fingers be used to enable SLI when in those PCIe Slots.

Clear Tubing and fluid, who needs colored tubing or fluid when you have LED light strips


Also is it just me or was anyone else just a slight bit nervous when they switched on their first custom loop for the first time? I spent over 8 months researching and planing, the system passed its 24+ hour leak test with ZERO leaks but even then I just a little nervous when I pushed the power button for the first time.
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post #37758 of 106458
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Originally Posted by Red1776 View Post

Well i got the rough in done. lots of wire sleeving and have to replace the orange tubing, but temps Are great .
Heaven maxes GPU's out@ 43C @ 24C ambient. Running full parallel cooling.




2 X VPP-655 Pumps
2X AlphaCool NeXxXos XT 45mm x 240 Rad
1X AlphaCool NeXxXos XT 45mm x 360 Rad
1X AlphaCool NeXxXos XT 45mm x 120 Rad
Koolance 370A CPU Block
4 X Heatkiller GPU X-3 7970 GPU Blocks
1X Heatkiller GPU-X Multilink
Bitspower & Monsoon Fittings
Primochill Tubing
Bitspower -z tank 250ML
Cosmos 2

That cpu even with those clocks bottleneck those cards.. rigth?

BF3

Dirt 3

Dirt Showdown

3DMARK11

Metro 2033


ETC...ETC, got a whole folder full of em NOT bottlenecking the quartet

...Nope
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I heard using ketchup and a tooth brush is one of the best things for cleaning blocks, should I use this method whenever I clean my CPU Block? Mine is starting to look like that, I believe it's a mix of plasticizer from previous tubing as well as red dye I over used. doh.gif
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I've used ketchup before and it works good. I just don't like how thick it is. I normally use hot sauce on my blocks and it works great. It's like the old trick my dad showed me when I was real little of cleaning an old dirty penny with hot sauce, All three of mine are bare copper though. I wouldn't use anything that acidic on nickle plated blocks though.
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Or use coke? It's an acid lol
Many thank for tips! wink.gif
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Yeah...Your settings: 120mm thick Rad, Apogee Drive II and bay Reservoir thats what I've talkin about! , These are awesome simply instead of a Cr@ppy Close loop.. tongue.gif
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