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Cool Laboratory Ultra? I've been warned and saw quite a few pics of destroyed cores using this. For my Haswell delid, i used Ice Diamond 7 to be on the safe side (still had to be very careful with this as well).

I replaced it on my 3770k die today. Had it on there for almost a year and with a little alcohol it wiped right off. I've also had it on all my blocks for months at a time with no damage at all. I don't know what crazy mistake those people made, but I haven't encountered any problems in the long time I've been using it and I know a bunch of people that can vouch for that statement :-)

Belial, the Phobya Balancer res is pretty nice, but I can't recommend it because the clips that come with it are cheap and break extremely easily.
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I replaced it on my 3770k die today. Had it on there for almost a year and with a little alcohol it wiped right off. I've also had it on all my blocks for months at a time with no damage at all. I don't know what crazy mistake those people made, but I haven't encountered any problems in the long time I've been using it and I know a bunch of people that can vouch for that statement :-)

After seeing the pics, I shunned away from it and used ID7 instead. I know not everyone had these issues but it was enough for me to keep away. Destroying my Tahitis and w/ prices skyrocketing for 79xx series, no thanks tongue.gif. I'll stick w/ my old and trusty Ceramique for now. I'll be buying a tube of MX-4 or something else down the road. I have a few milligrams left of Ceramique. Temps are pretty good so I have no concerns. Just hoping no one destroys their gear using something as simple as thermal compound thumb.gif.
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After seeing the pics, I shunned away from it and used ID7 instead. I know not everyone had these issues but it was enough for me to keep away. Destroying my Tahitis and w/ prices skyrocketing for 79xx series, no thanks tongue.gif. I'll stick w/ my old and trusty Ceramique for now. I'll be buying a tube of MX-4 or something else down the road. I have a few milligrams left of Ceramique. Temps are pretty good so I have no concerns. Just hoping no one destroys their gear using something as simple as thermal compound thumb.gif.

To each their own :-)

I'm 100% certain that there is more to those stories that isn't being told. CLU WILL NOT do that so don't be scared to use it because it won't destroy anything. It is chemically impossible. Well except for aluminum. It is conductive so you just have to be sure to not touch anything else with the brush when applying, but when applied without mistakes like that there is no overflow so it won't leak or anything like that.
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Belial, the Phobya Balancer res is pretty nice, but I can't recommend it because the clips that come with it are cheap and break extremely easily.

What are clips?
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After seeing the pics, I shunned away from it and used ID7 instead. I know not everyone had these issues but it was enough for me to keep away. Destroying my Tahitis and w/ prices skyrocketing for 79xx series, no thanks tongue.gif. I'll stick w/ my old and trusty Ceramique for now. I'll be buying a tube of MX-4 or something else down the road. I have a few milligrams left of Ceramique. Temps are pretty good so I have no concerns. Just hoping no one destroys their gear using something as simple as thermal compound thumb.gif.

MX-4 is pretty mediocre as well. Why would you spend $100s on premo water cooling and the very best components, and then use garbage, cheapo thermal paste lol...

You say temps are good, but I promise you a better paste would give you even better temps. There is not a single report of 'destroyed' gear with CLU and it sounds like you are just highly misinformed about thermal pastes. Things have come a long way since the days of DDR2, when MX-4 came out. Hegrease is the best ceramique by far, but PK-3, Masscool, Gelid, and even NH-T1 are muh better choices if you don't want to use CLU or CLP even.

The only possible 'destroying' is electrically conductive pastes, but I don't think anyone's even done that with CLU. With the way it is, it'd be impossible to use 'too much'.
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I think the liquid metal TIM hardening was more prominent with CLP. In all the reading I've done I've seen only a few cases where CLU hardens as well, but not to the point of damaging the die. Most of the bonding I've seen though was between the IHS and HSF and was fine between die and IHS.
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Anyone have feedback on the Phobya Balancer reservoirs? They appear to be the only anondized dark gray reservoirs I've seen (ie they match my Z87X-UD3H motherboard and gray paracording), and got a side outlet on the bottom. Going to be hooking up a 250mm to my H110 clc.

i hope you realize that you need enough pressure from the res to the h110 block/pump to feed coolant to the pump so it doesnt burn up. i doubt any res with outlets as low as you plan to use will work. thats why so many use the swiftech microres mounted as high as they can in their case.
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I think the liquid metal TIM hardening was more prominent with CLP. In all the reading I've done I've seen only a few cases where CLU hardens as well, but not to the point of damaging the die. Most of the bonding I've seen though was between the IHS and HSF and was fine between die and IHS.

Well, this was just a few months ago. I asked in the Delid thread and that's when the warnings on CLU came up. SkyNet was very helpful w/ my delid and he also warned me about it and recommended Ice Diamond instead.


If ppl are not having issues, that's good. Again, just sending out a warning from what I was told and pics I saw. The pics shown did have both the die and the gpu cores destroyed after removing the ihs/hsf. I have no clue on what the chemical reaction is but the destruction is enough for me to stay away.

How much is the thermal advantage anyways? Also, noticed its old stuff too tongue.gif (like my Ceramique redface.gif). The Gelid Extreme EK includes is pretty good too, may get some of that. My local Fry's still has some ShinEtzu and that was popular for some time.
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The different between TIMs is a fraction of a degree. Not sure why everyone is getting so upset here. tongue.gif
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The different between TIMs is a fraction of a degree. Not sure why everyone is getting so upset here. tongue.gif

Only one person brought up thermals (rolleyes.gif).


My understanding of the discussion are the stories of some thermals adhering to components and destroying them.


I still have some AS5 I use when i send a gpu into rma since its close in color to what the manufacturer adds biggrin.gif. So even the old and dated stuff is somewhat useful thumb.gif
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Only one person brought up thermals (rolleyes.gif).


My understanding of the discussion are the stories of some thermals adhering to components and destroying them.


I still have some AS5 I use when i send a gpu into rma since its close in color to what the manufacturer adds biggrin.gif.
Do you apply it with a shovel too? GPU manufacturers really go overboard with the amount of TIM they use
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