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Switched over to Realt Temp, non Gt.. Temperatures are exactly the same. :-) Thanks for the heads up though.

Weird with my 4770k the is a 5c deference
But no matter (: thumb.gif
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post #63842 of 106456
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Originally Posted by IT Diva View Post

If you feel like you got all the air out of the front rad, nothing but water from the purge port, now loosen the tubing coming out of the top rad to GPU and be sure that rad is well purged. If it has ports on top, use one of those with an extension in it to vent the air.

Can you have that fill tube in the top of the res open to atmosphere as well.

You may still be airbound.

Darlene
Thanks, I got that back port on the top rad to push out a steady flow of water, and I loosened the GPU-Top Rad connection, but it seems that water is just stationary in my loop now and it's not flowing up the center steel pipe in my res and back down into the reservoir.

Perhaps it's an issue with the reservoir itself. I could have plugged the wrong hole on the pump adapter....but I'm fairly sure I did not.
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Originally Posted by audioholic View Post

Not to hijack but on my Prodigy I have a 240 in front and 240 on top.it seems like I am "air locked" as well. Radiator thatis vertical(front) seems to be gurgling like crazy. I tipped and tilted but did not try upside down. And I would assume with a 35x it would be pretty strong flow?
Yeah, definitely try opening your highest port possible with towels and cup ready to catch water, and power on the pump. That helped for me to get the air out. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the whole solution to my problem.
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post #63843 of 106456
I have emailed EK. I am not impressed with this block at the moment. I am considering Delidding this cpu when I pull the block next time.

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Originally Posted by GhostDog99 View Post

Weird with my 4770k the is a 5c deference
But no matter (: thumb.gif

I will keep a close eye on the Temps and make sure they don't get too high. I want to go up to 4.8 at least, and need to get the Temps down a few more degrees at least.
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post #63844 of 106456
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Adding to this, I don't know if it's the pump, or if there is some sort of blockage in my loop. Water is not moving past the second GPU. I'm at the end of myself with this right now. Everything was going so well and now it seems I've hit every watercooling issue known to man.
I hear that! I'm still waiting on my RMA blocks.... Grabbed a H100i and I'm putting the acx coolers back on for now :/
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post #63845 of 106456
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hi to all. im working in my third watercooling loop! under construction.redface.gif

its wrong the position of my pump ?




sorry for the bad quality of my pic! and my bad english thumb.gif

That should be fine. Just make sure that your reservoir is feeding into the port that's on the top of the pump. Those pumps can be oriented in many different positions. The only orientation that really won't work is to have it upside down.
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I understand what you are saying, but you are not explaining why a vacuum is then formed inside the loop during bleeding with a sealed reservoir.

there is a difference between a vacuum and an air lock.
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As you posted below "a different reason"

the air lock is still actually a hydro lock.
main water(continuous water from the pump)>>air(trapped between that < water and that > water)>>water(acting as plug)>>other air up to res/pump
the hydro lock/air lock occurs because there is a significant amount of water ahead of the air lock. that water acts as a plug just as the water in a pee trap works in house plumbing. the trapped air gets compressed when the pump water tries to displace it with water (the pump tries to move the water into the space the air is occupying). it compresses easily as it a gas which has less density than water. the pump doesnt have enough oomph to compress the air enough to overcome the pressure of the water trapping it. change this to a dual pump setup and that hydro locked air can be compressed further than a single pump can do. it has a better chance of pushing the water bubble causing hydro lock.
air can be compressed inside tubing, blocks, rads. this is the air that can be pushed out like anoxy is doing. in fact, this exact scenario is what anoxy is experiencing.
you cannot however bleed a res like this. you would need to be adding liquid or air under pressure someplace else in the loop( force feed the loop more air or water through something like a syringe).
as i stated 1 liter of air = 1 liter of water = 1/2 liter of air plus 1/2 liter of water (all uncompressed)
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and how exactly does one fill a sealed reservoir?
now youre just being ridiculous rolleyes.gif
Edited by pc-illiterate - 3/15/14 at 6:38pm
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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
there is a difference between a vacuum and an air lock.
the air lock is still actually a hydro lock.
main water(continuous water from the pump)>>air(trapped between that < water and that > water)>>water(acting as plug)>>other air up to res/pump
the hydro lock/air lock occurs because there is a significant amount of water ahead of the air lock. that water acts as a plug just as the water in a pee trap works in house plumbing. the trapped air gets compressed when the pump water tries to displace it with water (the pump tries to move the water into the space the air is occupying). it compresses easily as it a gas which has less density than water. the pump doesnt have enough oomph to compress the air enough to overcome the pressure of the water trapping it. change this to a dual pump setup and that hydro locked air can be compressed further than a single pump can do. it has a better chance of pushing the water bubble causing hydro lock.
air can be compressed inside tubing, blocks, rads. this is the air that can be pushed out like anoxy is doing. in fact, this exact scenario is what anoxy is experiencing.
you cannot however bleed a res like this. you would need to be adding liquid or air under pressure someplace else in the loop( force feed the loop more air or water through something like a syringe).
as i stated 1 liter of air = 1 liter of water = 1/2 liter of air plus 1/2 liter of water (all uncompressed)
now youre just being ridiculous rolleyes.gif

thanks, but you can see a vacuum forming in the few "HOW NOT TO WATERCOOL" videos on youtube. Just look @ the tubing, you can see them constricting. So it seems both scenarios can happen.
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Originally Posted by IT Diva View Post

If you feel like you got all the air out of the front rad, nothing but water from the purge port, now loosen the tubing coming out of the top rad to GPU and be sure that rad is well purged. If it has ports on top, use one of those with an extension in it to vent the air.

Can you have that fill tube in the top of the res open to atmosphere as well.

You may still be airbound.

Darlene
Thanks, I got that back port on the top rad to push out a steady flow of water, and I loosened the GPU-Top Rad connection, but it seems that water is just stationary in my loop now and it's not flowing up the center steel pipe in my res and back down into the reservoir.

Perhaps it's an issue with the reservoir itself. I could have plugged the wrong hole on the pump adapter....but I'm fairly sure I did not.
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Originally Posted by audioholic View Post

Not to hijack but on my Prodigy I have a 240 in front and 240 on top.it seems like I am "air locked" as well. Radiator thatis vertical(front) seems to be gurgling like crazy. I tipped and tilted but did not try upside down. And I would assume with a 35x it would be pretty strong flow?
Yeah, definitely try opening your highest port possible with towels and cup ready to catch water, and power on the pump. That helped for me to get the air out. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the whole solution to my problem.


You may well be correct about having the wrong hole plugged, or the return line in the wrong port.

It sounds like the pump pushes water anywhere you open a path to atmosphere.

Darlene
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i said there was a difference between a vacuum and hydro lock which, in redundancy, is different.
the vacuum happens because of the hydro lock causing an airlock(not really). the water causing the lock isnt moving as far as the air is being compressed. since the pumped water is trying to displace air that is being compressed as its pushed instead of being pushed further down the tubing, a vacuum is formed. the vacuum is formed because there is nothing to replace the original volume of uncompressed air.

fill a plastic jug or bottle. without the cap on turn it upside down completely so the water pulses out. notice the jug 'sucks in' then it 'blows back up' when it sucks water back in? yeah, thats what is happening.
honestly, its all avoided by correctly designing a loop or having rads with more than 2 damned ports. use those extra ports to fill your loop before ever turning on your pump.
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