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If all what you say is correct (And we believe you) Can you video a fill and pump turn on to show the leak in progress? I mean why not at this point? Since you have exhausted your options.

The Cautious ONe

I can do that in just a little bit. I will try to show everything I can at this point, I am almost tempted to take the GPU's out of the case and just run the loop on the table, but I need to get a hand since EVGA uses spring clips on their PCI lanes.

I will just be happy if it doesn't leak when I refill it, lol. I am frustrated and trying to take my precious time so that I don't get this wrong.

Thank you to everyone trying to help, by the way. I am just really frustrated at this point.
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I can do that in just a little bit. I will try to show everything I can at this point, I am almost tempted to take the GPU's out of the case and just run the loop on the table, but I need to get a hand since EVGA uses spring clips on their PCI lanes.

I will just be happy if it doesn't leak when I refill it, lol. I am frustrated and trying to take my precious time so that I don't get this wrong.

Thank you to everyone trying to help, by the way. I am just really frustrated at this point.

It's Fine Mate thumb.gif The good and great news is that Nothing is Fried from a Leak. Just a matter of time before the conflict is Resolved.

OCN will try to assist you in your time of Need. A video might help us "Visualize" something that your frustration is overlooking.

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Hi Cautious. At a month and a half, there was no rush at all. I have taken extreme caution with these because i don't have the money to replace parts again.
"But the issue of getting leaks from the fittings is frustrating. Even without pressure, the leaks are happening. I took all of the fittings off and checked the seals, and the o-rings are sealing very well (visually), and it is really hard to get the tubing out of the fitting because of the fit, but they still drip."

At this point, I am not sure what I am typing wrong. Here is the super long version.

Steps taken. when I noticed the terminal leaking (Issue #1) I removed the terminals and corrected the issue. Checked the O-Rings there, and the o-Ring seating area, the inner seating lip was broken off. I alerted EK, and they are replacing all of them. Taken care to make sure they were seated properly, since plexi is see-thru, I took my time putting it back on and can see the visual seal all the way around each of the ports, and the o-ring has no kinks or issues. Problem solved until new terminals arrive.

Attempting to fill the loop once the terminal was repaired, once I turned on the pump the first time, I noticed a Bitspower fitting leaking, not the terminal, since the initial terminal was on GPU 1, and the fitting that is leaking is the bottom side of GPU2, which was not touched at all.

Next step, turn pump off, and drain loop. Remove all of the terminals (again) and fittings and inspect every fitting. There is no damage, nicks, crack, flat spots, pinches, or imperfections that I can find. I install the tubing back into the fitting, and use a flash light to look in and see that both o-rings in each fitting has a solid seal around each of the tubes. Once the top of each fitting is screwed back on, the spread of the o-ring is solid all the way around the entire tube, and the tube is extremely snug.

a little bit of water was wiped onto the tube as well as the oring before pushing them in every time, so that they were not pushed in on a dry o-ring, as this causes failures that are easily noted.

Out of all 10 fittings that are in use, all show a perfect seal around the entire tube and 3 of them have allowed water though without any obvious break in said visual seal. That is why it is confusing me.

Are you sure the leak is with a fitting and not a terminal? Its hard to tell where a leak is coming from on GPU's because of all the terminals and fittings. So many failure points in such a small area. Try taking off all the terminals with tubes and fittings between them still attached and installing the whole thing upside down. This may give you a better a view of the leak. I would also try swapping the leaky fitting with a good fitting to see if the leak moves with that fitting to verify the problem is with the fitting and not with the port.

I feel your pain. I like the aesthetics of running tubes and fittings between the cards, but it can be such a pain. I think that is why the terminal bridges are so popular. So much easier to install.
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Are you sure the leak is with a fitting and not a terminal? Its hard to tell where a leak is coming from on GPU's because of all the terminals and fittings. So many failure points in such a small area. Try taking off all the terminals with tubes and fittings between them still attached and installing the whole thing upside down. This may give you a better a view of the leak. I would also try swapping the leaky fitting with a good fitting to see if the leak moves with that fitting to verify the problem is with the fitting and not with the port.

I feel your pain. I like the aesthetics of running tubes and fittings between the cards, but it can be such a pain. I think that is why the terminal bridges are so popular. So much easier to install.

I actually did remove the terminals to fix the first issue, so that I wouldn't disturb the fittings because of how tight they were. Now I have everything out of the case, and on the table, and I just pulled the bottom EK terminal and replaced it with an acetal one. I had 7 acetal terminals, but go figure that I can not find them anywhere right now.

If I can find them, i will replace all of the plexi terminals with the acetal terminals, as I know they seal very well and don't crack like the plexi ones are. for now, here is another picture of another terminal. Be aware before I post this one: THIS Terminal NEVER leaked. as I was replacing the fittings, I noticed the same issue occur with this one that happened in the first leak, so to counteract this problem, I am replacing it PRIOR to reinstalling the loop.


This terminal was the Bottom GPU, which I had no issues from at all.



The wall around the inner o-ring seating area is too thin and without any touching just slips out of place. The channel is cut much closer to the inside than the acetal terminals are.


Quick addition: just found 2 more Acetal terminals. here is a comparison of the o-ring channels and the difference of the overall thickness of the inner wall. I will find the 4th, and rule out the terminals 100% while checking the fittings at the same time.


Edited by Scarlet-Tech - 5/22/15 at 11:19am
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Looks like it really could be the terminal, also might want to double check if there could be a hairline crack from tightening the fittings onto said terminals
 
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Looks like it really could be the terminal, also might want to double check if there could be a hairline crack from tightening the fittings onto said terminals

I will check, but like I said, that terminal, nor the fittings attached to that terminal, ever leaked. I noticed it after reinstalling everything dry and just wanted to use it as an example.
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I will check, but like I said, that terminal, nor the fittings attached to that terminal, ever leaked. I noticed it after reinstalling everything dry and just wanted to use it as an example.

I know you want to run the semi-parallel setup, but if you are still having leaking issues, can you try hooking the 4 cards up in a series with 1 fitting between each card and then see if it still leaks? Just asking because with a series, there is only 1 place for the water to go and never has any bit of restriction at all and should flow right past that area. It would also take you from 5 fittings in between to 3 and less chance of something leaking since you are taking 40% of the problem area away.

Is there any imperfections in any of the fitting areas? a small little dent in the acrylic or little anything can be a big problem when trying to seal something. Maybe run something over the sealing areas to kinda polish them back to perfectly smooth or light weight sanding ( I'm not really meaning to sand them, just to get rid of any bumps or anything sticking out that would cause them not to seal correct ) .. Even a cloth with some polishing compound to help them seal? Try moving the o-rings to different areas as some maybe a little thicker than others due to manufacturing flaws.

Have you tried to use new piece's of tube between them? Maybe the tubes are having the issues due to them going on and off many times?

Also, like TCO said, do not try to put anything with o-rings together DRY. use something to lubricate them. It will allow them to seat properly and not bind up, even if you are 100% sure that once put together they are visually sealing. Visually isn't good enough when it comes to pressure.

Just trying to help bud, I too know how frustrating things can be thumb.gif
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Silicone grease a must to lube the orings and keep them in place.




Any one running af140s on a 140mm rad? Is it better to use sp120 hp (I have a bunch) with adapters? Sp140s come only w/ led's unfortunately frown.gif.
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I know you want to run the semi-parallel setup, but if you are still having leaking issues, can you try hooking the 4 cards up in a series with 1 fitting between each card and then see if it still leaks? Just asking because with a series, there is only 1 place for the water to go and never has any bit of restriction at all and should flow right past that area. It would also take you from 5 fittings in between to 3 and less chance of something leaking since you are taking 40% of the problem area away.

Is there any imperfections in any of the fitting areas? a small little dent in the acrylic or little anything can be a big problem when trying to seal something. Maybe run something over the sealing areas to kinda polish them back to perfectly smooth or light weight sanding ( I'm not really meaning to sand them, just to get rid of any bumps or anything sticking out that would cause them not to seal correct ) .. Even a cloth with some polishing compound to help them seal? Try moving the o-rings to different areas as some maybe a little thicker than others due to manufacturing flaws.

Have you tried to use new piece's of tube between them? Maybe the tubes are having the issues due to them going on and off many times?

Also, like TCO said, do not try to put anything with o-rings together DRY. use something to lubricate them. It will allow them to seat properly and not bind up, even if you are 100% sure that once put together they are visually sealing. Visually isn't good enough when it comes to pressure.

Just trying to help bud, I too know how frustrating things can be thumb.gif

Oh, for the love of god... I meant dry as NOT in the water loop, before filling it, not that I pushed the connector tube through the o-ring or install it dry.... How many times do I need to repeat every statement I make...


I DO NOT PUSH THE RIGID TUBE THROUGH THE OR INSTALL O-RING DRY. PLEASE TAKE THIS AS A BLANKET STATEMENT FOR THE FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I just replaced the fitting and even replaced the piece of tube, and it is still leaking. Didn't even turn the pump on, just opened the top terminal, and put just enough water to get the tubes filled, and it leaked.

I am going to replace these bitspower fittings and find something else.

After replacing the Terminal, the terminal o-rings, and even the one connector tubes, which is where the leak was coming from, it is still leaking. I will try series like you suggested, and toss that fitting (the one giving the current issue) off to the side for now, until I can get replacements.
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