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I have my third D5 mounted to the bottom plate lol. What about putting my PSU to exhaust the hot air? Or would that be bad for the PSU?

Its not ideal and I dont think a 140 at low speed will be enough.
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Its not ideal and I dont think a 140 at low speed will be enough.
Thanks for all the help. I will order some 80mm fans and use that in the extra PSU spot. Hopefully two of them can expell some air out of the bottom compartment.
    
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I have my third D5 mounted to the bottom plate lol. What about putting my PSU to exhaust the hot air? Or would that be bad for the PSU?


I've setup my psu that way (exhausting warm rad air) and so far i havent had problems *yet*.
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I've asked some people (experts here in the community), and they say that is unlikely the reason. Flow is most likely the problem, and that's what everyone has told me.

The fact is that your water is actually heating up (15 deg delta) correct? As it is heating up fine - this implies that heat is being dumped from your CPU/GPU's into the water correctly.

The problem is that you are not extracting enough heat from your water which is what the radiators do. Increasing the flow will have little impact on your water delta temp.

I suspect that the internal lower section of your case is heating up as airflow is stuck inside between the two rads with not nearly enough exhaust opportunities.

Can you measure the temp inside the lower section between your rads? I would not be surprised that both of the rads down in your lower compartment are simply not working well due to airflow configuration restrictions.



With normal flow rates, this is true . . . . .

But if the flow rate is compromised for some reason, the flow rate thru the rads may be low enough that it's become laminar.

The reason why rads use a flat tube design is to ensure turbulent flow at relatively low flow rates, but that doesn't mean that the flow rate can't drop so low that it becomes laminar.

If that's the case, all those big rads aren't going to mean squat


There are a couple reasons I've seen over the years that cause really low flow rates where they should have been Much higher.


I've had fittings with very small bores where you'd expect at least twice the bore size, and some fittings have at least a 2mm longer thread length than others.

With the long thread lengths, they can go too far thru what they screw into and just barely not hit what's at the other side of the thread. (outlet of a CPU block for example)

All the pumps in the world aren't going to move watermelons thru a hummingbird's butt


Steezy really needs to see what the flow meter tells him at this point to really know what direction to move in to get the temps better managed.


Darlene



Not the best pics, but you see what I mean about unusually long threads, and strangely reduced bore diameters versus normal on the left.

The stock Bp anti cyclone res fitting is another issue, especially with multi pump setups, it's amazingly restrictive when compared to their hi-flow version.






Edited by IT Diva - 2/13/16 at 4:01am
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With normal flow rates, this is true . . . . .

But if the flow rate is compromised for some reason, the flow rate thru the rads may be low enough that it's become laminar.

The reason why rads use a flat tube design is to ensure turbulent flow at relatively low flow rates, but that doesn't mean that the flow rate can't drop so low that it becomes laminar.

If that's the case, all those big rads aren't going to mean squat
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There are a couple reasons I've seen over the years that cause really low flow rates where they should have been Much higher.


I've had fittings with very small bores where you'd expect at least twice the bore size, and some fittings have at least a 2mm longer thread length than others.

With the long thread lengths, they can go too far thru what they screw into and just barely not hit what's at the other side of the thread. (outlet of a CPU block for example)

All the pumps in the world aren't going to move watermelons thru a hummingbird's butt


Steezy really needs to see what the flow meter tells him at this point to really know what direction to move in to get the temps better managed.


Darlene



Not the best pics, but you see what I mean about unusually long threads, and strangely reduced bore diameters versus normal on the left.

The stock Bp anti cyclone res fitting is another issue, especially with multi pump setups, it's amazingly restrictive when compared to their hi-flow version.






Surely when he filled and bled the loop,he would of noticed a low flow problem?
After all,it is a dual gpu loop,low flow should be patently obvious to my mind,especially during the fill as it would be so very difficult.

Steezy,how easy was the loop to fill and bleed?

The fitting thing is bang on,The old push locks i used to use had 10mm of thread on them,many of hours of filing was required......
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With normal flow rates, this is true . . . . .

But if the flow rate is compromised for some reason, the flow rate thru the rads may be low enough that it's become laminar.

True but something doesn't quite add up with his build as it seems he is utilising fairly standard components and it does not seem all that complex - he is currently running 2 D5's and considering a 3rd...!

We need a tad more detail pics/info on his config as we are guessing somewhat as to what the exact cause is. Maybe he has an oddball fitting etc which is really restricting the flow...?

Flowmeter to verify then process of elimination I guess if that is the cause.
Edited by Costas - 2/13/16 at 5:42am
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True but something doesn't quite add up with his build as it seems he is utilising fairly standard components and it does not seem all that complex - he is currently running 2 D5's and considering a 3rd...!

We need a tad more detail pics/info on his config as we are guessing somewhat as to what the exact cause is. Maybe he has an oddball fitting etc which is really restricting the flow...?

Flowmeter to verify then process of elimination I guess if that is the cause.

I just am still having a hard time with understanding the problem of the water temps.. Really just trying to comprehend the frustration. If steezy wouldn't have a water temp meter, what would his outlook be then? The purpose of this is to cool the GPU's better so they do not run in the mid 50C range correct?

Has a remount of the gpu blocks been advised? Is the CPU and GPU loop seperate? Running 2 x D5 pumps isn't a bad thing and not unheard of but possibly unnecessary. I run a single DDC for 2 x 980 EK waterblocks that are attached to a 480mm and 240mm rad.

I might be speaking crazy, but just thinking of other solutions. I feel if we are this deep in the build, then yes, get the flow rate locked in (What is it, is it stable yet, what is flow increase with 3 x D5 pumps)

What is the FPI of the rads you are using and what is the Fan speed at which you are running them at? Are you dissipating heat as efficiently as one possibly can. What is the ambient temperature in the room?

Of the Rads that are used in the loop for the gpus, what are set as intake and exhaust? I see some have mentioned an exhaust route for heat in the lower compartment of the SMA8, do you have even one fan in that compartment? Or is it only exhausted by the motion of the fans used on the outside of the rads?

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I had a flow problem with a d5. A CPU 90 was too tight. It was still flowing at around 50%. (Estimate) I replaced the fitting and temps dropped 10c at load.
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Awww man! My guns are too big. Chain guns that is. Fittings are so big I've given up using them as I had planned. I would have to buy so many angle fittings or extenders to be able to use them that I might as well get new fittings that will work better instead.
Which brings me to my question. I am using a mips iceforce and want to know which matches it better, standard chrome/silver, or the black chrome variant?
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Awww man! My guns are too big. Chain guns that is. Fittings are so big I've given up using them as I had planned. I would have to buy so many angle fittings or extenders to be able to use them that I might as well get new fittings that will work better instead.
Which brings me to my question. I am using a mips iceforce and want to know which matches it better, standard chrome/silver, or the black chrome variant?

Bummer on the fittings mad.gif

(silver/chrome) Nickel plated fittings will match the Ice Force mount well, but matte black fittings will blend in nicely also thumb.gif



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