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Originally Posted by Sazexa View Post

So this is an extremely quick mock up of the planned loop configuration so far. It's pretty self explanatory, but, it's basically in series as it goes the whole way.

Reservoir/pump -> GTX 980 -> GTX 980 -> CPU -> 360mm radiator -> Either 240mm or second 360mm radiator -> reservoir/pump

Is there a better/more efficient way to do this?

As it is now, I'm debating on the second radiator's size because I believe if I go with a 360mm, I lose my 3.5" drive bay.

Case is a Phanteks Evolv ATX TG
Res to pump is the only thing that matters. Loop order past that doesn't matter.
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Res to pump is the only thing that matters. Loop order past that doesn't matter.
Does parallel vs. series flow make any difference?
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post #98983 of 107731
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Does parallel vs. series flow make any difference?

For just GPUs, to a degree, but not really enough to have a large impact. I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to run a GPU block parallel to a CPU block, though. There was a discussion on that a while back, I don't remember what the consensus was.

I'm mostly just paraphrasing what I remember reading during my time in this thread. Please don't take my words as fact.
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post #98984 of 107731
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Originally Posted by timerwin63 View Post

For just GPUs, to a degree, but not really enough to have a large impact. I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to run a GPU block parallel to a CPU block, though. There was a discussion on that a while back, I don't remember what the consensus was.

I'm mostly just paraphrasing what I remember reading during my time in this thread. Please don't take my words as fact.

Works just fine. It is mostly a question of aesthetics. Parallel will improve overall flow but inside the block flow will be slower compared to serial.




you can read more here:

http://www.swiftech.com/Resources/White_Papers/Actual%20influence%20of%20flow%20rate%20on%20system%20temp.pdf
post #98985 of 107731
Just trying to understand this but in a water loop the reason why the order doesn't matter is because the water heats up as a whole, right? It is not exactly hot water going into radiator with cold water coming out but instead warm water kept warm by the radiator? Or warm-hot as it continues to rise in temps? Which is why it is not actually heating up the CPU additionally when you put the water going from the GPU to the CPU? or vise versa?

I was thinking when I get a loop to put Radiator>Reservoir>Pump>Components so that the pump would get colder water and in hopes extend the life but as I started to think about it is the above explanation the reason why it doesn't matter? Because the water is heated as a whole, not immediately upon contact?
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post #98986 of 107731
Morning

Yesterday i realized I am going to buy new tubing and compression fittings.
Then I Thought... hmm rigid ain't that more expensive.

Can someone (or a few/lot people) give me some insight? I lean towards using bends vs angled fittings.

I have no clue on the fitting types for acrylic.

Is it possible to go rigid and make it look good and not break the bank?
    
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post #98987 of 107731
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Morning

Yesterday i realized I am going to buy new tubing and compression fittings.
Then I Thought... hmm rigid ain't that more expensive.

Can someone (or a few/lot people) give me some insight? I lean towards using bends vs angled fittings.

I have no clue on the fitting types for acrylic.

Is it possible to go rigid and make it look good and not break the bank?

Using fittings for your bends increases the cost quite a bit. But it all comes down to personal preference imo thumb.gif
Both bends and angle fittings look good.
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post #98988 of 107731
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Just trying to understand this but in a water loop the reason why the order doesn't matter is because the water heats up as a whole, right? It is not exactly hot water going into radiator with cold water coming out but instead warm water kept warm by the radiator? Or warm-hot as it continues to rise in temps? Which is why it is not actually heating up the CPU additionally when you put the water going from the GPU to the CPU? or vise versa?

I was thinking when I get a loop to put Radiator>Reservoir>Pump>Components so that the pump would get colder water and in hopes extend the life but as I started to think about it is the above explanation the reason why it doesn't matter? Because the water is heated as a whole, not immediately upon contact?

The difference is temps is very small between hot/cold,you are trying to maintain the equilibrium. Loop order doesn't matter overall,you can gain very small improvements however that have incremental advantages,if you are willing to compromise on looks. Overall,its not worth it.
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Morning

Yesterday i realized I am going to buy new tubing and compression fittings.
Then I Thought... hmm rigid ain't that more expensive.

Can someone (or a few/lot people) give me some insight? I lean towards using bends vs angled fittings.

I have no clue on the fitting types for acrylic.

Is it possible to go rigid and make it look good and not break the bank?

Easily,with patience. Hard tube work is all about patience,with it your loop will look amazing,without it...well,the spirit of Slinky will enter your pc and make it look half-arsed.
Take you time,practice and don't feel obliged to go with simple 90's with tube terminals,throw 90 and 45 fittings in there to get you going in the right direction.

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post #98989 of 107731
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Using fittings for your bends increases the cost quite a bit. But it all comes down to personal preference imo thumb.gif
Both bends and angle fittings look good.

Yeah makes sense. That's why I thought about using all bends and no angle fittings.
Sure, only straight tubes with angle fittings should be easier... but bending is doable, right?
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Originally Posted by B NEGATIVE View Post

Easily,with patience. Hard tube work is all about patience,with it your loop will look amazing,without it...well,the spirit of Slinky will enter your pc and make it look half-arsed.
Take you time,practice and don't feel obliged to go with simple 90's with tube terminals,throw 90 and 45 fittings in there to get you going in the right direction.

thumb.gif

Wouldn't straight tubing out of everything look better than lets say 30 or 45 degree entry/exits?

Basically I can just buy these for every block, rad and the pump and just bend my way through?
http://www.highflow.nl/watercooling/aansluitingen/fittingen/bitspower/black-sparkle/bitspower-g1-4-enhance-multi-link-for-od-12mm-black-sparkle-bp-bseml.html

If I were to go this order/route. What would you do?


The radiator and pump may be a bit more to the rear of the case... will have to see how everything fits when I actually receive the Primo.
And the ports on the gpu will be switched (from cpu to top right, lower left to bottom rad).

Edit:
Is there a difference when comparing 12 vs 16mm rigid tubing? Other than the looks, and obviously the price of the fittings.

Edit 2: tongue.gif
People don't seem to be active here... but anyway.

Made a summary of an order I want to place, did I forgot anything? In regards to rigid:

p.s. I have an heatgun... who doesn't anyway. biggrin.gif


thumb.gif
Edited by Chopper1591 - 6/26/16 at 4:21am
    
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post #98990 of 107731
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Originally Posted by Chopper1591 View Post

Yeah makes sense. That's why I thought about using all bends and no angle fittings.
Sure, only straight tubes with angle fittings should be easier... but bending is doable, right?
Wouldn't straight tubing out of everything look better than lets say 30 or 45 degree entry/exits?

Basically I can just buy these for every block, rad and the pump and just bend my way through?
http://www.highflow.nl/watercooling/aansluitingen/fittingen/bitspower/black-sparkle/bitspower-g1-4-enhance-multi-link-for-od-12mm-black-sparkle-bp-bseml.html

If I were to go this order/route. What would you do?

The radiator and pump may be a bit more to the rear of the case... will have to see how everything fits when I actually receive the Primo.
And the ports on the gpu will be switched (from cpu to top right, lower left to bottom rad).

Edit:
Is there a difference when comparing 12 vs 16mm rigid tubing? Other than the looks, and obviously the price of the fittings.

Edit 2: tongue.gif
People don't seem to be active here... but anyway.

Made a summary of an order I want to place, did I forgot anything? In regards to rigid:

p.s. I have an heatgun... who doesn't anyway. biggrin.gif


thumb.gif
nothing wrong with doing all bends, it's a bit more work but that's ok. Using all fittings is a huge expense for most systems. You may want a couple 90°s in case you run into any tough spots though. I think I've always had at least one 90 tucked in somewhere i couldn't bend my way too.

I'll have a look at that loop order when I'm not mobile

edit 1: 12mm and 16mm will perform almost identically, within margin of error. I went with 14mm since i felt that 12 was too small and 16 to big.

Edit 2: not at 3:30am wink.gif looks good but you may want to order more tubing than that. I think i ordered 8m the first time and only used 4m but it's nice to have plenty extra because you will scrap some. Also do you have a tubing cutter? Ive always used a rolling type tube cutter for petg but acrylic does a bit better with a hacksaw i believe. As far as a reamer goes, i found a step bit reams the inside cleaner than those red deals. The red things kinda bounced all over the place
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