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Question.
Masterkleer has this BPA free tubing, how does it compare to Mayhems clear tubing?
I am using Mayhems clear tubing but I think it's not as clear as I would hope it would be.
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Originally Posted by vilius572 View Post

Thinking of doing something with my rig. The first thing that comes to mind is petg tubing and I think it's a great idea to go from soft tubing to hard tubing. However at the same time I'm thinking of changing up the colors a bit. I really like the Mayhems Blue berry but I also like yellow, which I already have. So I think about mixing these two colors together. What do you think guys? Excuse my paint skills biggrin.gif
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Leave it yellow. Make a PSU cover. Maybe a custom backplate. I wouldn't change the liquid, it looks great IMO.
    
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Since I never used UV in a build before (my friends seem to prefer pastel colors for some reason), and since I'm too lazy to go with rigid tubing (though that glass tubing from Mayhems looks sexy), here's a dumb question for you guys.
What would you use between the following:

Mayhems X1 UV Blue dye + Mayhems Ultra Clear Tubing

or

Mayhems Ultra Pure H20 + PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Brilliant UV Blue

Would really appreciate your opinions, especially if you've used one of these combinations before.

It kind of depends. Personally, I think colored tubing looks terrible, so I would use the dye. The UV effect of the dye will fade over time though and you will need to add more dye to it to maintain the UV effect. If you don't mind colored tubing and don't want to mess with adding dye every so often, go with the UV tubing.
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Hello people,


How often do you people change out pumps?
I have my pump for around 2-2,5 years and also bought it used (total lifespan is around 4 years). Swiftech MCP-655 vario.

Today I made calculations on flow rate and a rough estimate is that with my current parts I achieve ~1gpm at setting 4.

I really don't want to find out that I have to change my pump in a few months since I am about to redo my loop with rigid tubing.
When I switch to a mcp-50x (or 35x) for example, I have to go with another layout. Currently I am using the combined d5 x-res and with the 35x/50x I have to go separate pump and reservoir.

Lastly, how important is flow rate these days?
Will I benefit at all if I aim for 1.5gpm over 1gpm?


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post #99535 of 107382
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Originally Posted by Chopper1591 View Post

Hello people,


How often do you people change out pumps?
I have my pump for around 2-2,5 years and also bought it used (total lifespan is around 4 years). Swiftech MCP-655 vario.

Today I made calculations on flow rate and a rough estimate is that with my current parts I achieve ~1gpm at setting 4.

I really don't want to find out that I have to change my pump in a few months since I am about to redo my loop with rigid tubing.
When I switch to a mcp-50x (or 35x) for example, I have to go with another layout. Currently I am using the combined d5 x-res and with the 35x/50x I have to go separate pump and reservoir.

Lastly, how important is flow rate these days?
Will I benefit at all if I aim for 1.5gpm over 1gpm?


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Flow rate is not massively important,1 GPM is a solid figure to go for,easily achievable and most blocks are designed around that figure.
Pumps dont get changed until they die.
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I have always believed that the OEM watercooling pumps (specifically the DDC and D5 variations) have always been "overkill" for typical loops, however thats obviously all relative.

That being said, I really have a hard time picturing a pump failing out of pure longevity. Now I dont necessarily want to encourage you to simply wait until your pump randomly stops working.... but then again, if you aren't really keen on the idea of buying a new pump and doing the work to replace it, id say wait.

As far as flow goes, refer to my first statement. I personally believe pressure is more important, but only by a little. They obviously have close relativity in regards to how they effect one another.

I hate the term "overkill." Hate using it even more.

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Originally Posted by B NEGATIVE View Post

Flow rate is not massively important,1 GPM is a solid figure to go for,easily achievable and most blocks are designed around that figure.
Pumps dont get changed until they die.

Alright.
I know in the past (post '10s) flow rate was more important with the massively wide channels in blocks.

It's not that the pump shows signs of dying... no excessive noise (bearing) or anything.
More like I have no clue on how the flow rate is. I can't see it. biggrin.gif

Then again. I will find out soon enough when my temps skyrocket.

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I have always believed that the OEM watercooling pumps (specifically the DDC and D5 variations) have always been "overkill" for typical loops, however thats obviously all relative.

That being said, I really have a hard time picturing a pump failing out of pure longevity. Now I dont necessarily want to encourage you to simply wait until your pump randomly stops working.... but then again, if you aren't really keen on the idea of buying a new pump and doing the work to replace it, id say wait.

As far as flow goes, refer to my first statement. I personally believe pressure is more important, but only by a little. They obviously have close relativity in regards to how they effect one another.

I hate the term "overkill." Hate using it even more.

haha

Overkill...
I don't really see the word like others do, I guess. To me overkill is enough. I like a little extra... because I can. tongue.gif

What do you mean on your first sentence? Regarding OEM pumps.

Why wouldn't a pump die from longevity, what do you think it would die from then? It's not like I would drop it while using.
I guess first and foremost reason are worn out bearings. Making it spin slim to zero.

I posted this because I have parts laying in the house waiting for me to redo the build (new case, rigid tubing + fittings, extra rad).
That's why I thought about: how long will it last?
If I do the build now with the intended layout in mind and then have to change the pump (thinking on getting the mcp50x) because of failure, that would force me to sell the d5 x-res top/combo and buy new tubing (and re-bend), the pump and a reservoir.


Comparison:
mcp655.

mcp50x


Looking at 1GPM (3.875 LPM) the D5 achieves around 3.2 mH2O (4.3-4.4 psi) and the 50x above 4.5 mH2O (6.4 psi).
Calculations for my loop came out at ~2.94 psi (~2.2 mH2O) @ 1GPM. Showing the D5 reaches that around setting 4 while the 50x only has to spin around 45-50%.

Normally DDC pumps are louder but with the 50x around 50% I think it should be quieter than the D5.



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Your taking the statement a bit too literally.

Of course, nothing on earth is infinite, lifetime being probably one of the most commonly thought of, be it organic life or PC components...

I too have a ton of parts lying around as well, and thats partially my point. I just have trouble actually witnessing/hearing about a pump simply stopping one day and thus the subsequent owner going "well, it was PRETTY old, im just going to toss it...." I just have trouble envisioning that. Im not saying it wouldn't happen, because obviously it would, but your exact current scenario is a perfect example. Chances are, your NOT going to wait until it just dies one day, chances are that your going to replace it before then.
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Your taking the statement a bit too literally.

Of course, nothing on earth is infinite, lifetime being probably one of the most commonly thought of, be it organic life or PC components....

I too have a ton of parts lying around as well, and thats partially my point. I just have trouble actually witnessing/hearing about a pump simply stopping one day and thus the subsequent owner going "well, it was PRETTY old, im just going to toss it...." I just have trouble envisioning that. Im not saying it wouldn't happen, because obviously it would, but your exact current scenario is a perfect example. Chances are, your NOT going to wait until it just dies one day, chances are that your going to replace it before then.

Fair enough.
I am probably going to change it before it dies. But how do I know when? biggrin.gif
I know the pump is rated 50.000 hours MBTF and/or 5 years. But it will probably run longer than 5 years. If I take a high average my system runs 12 hours a day (which it won't most of the time), 12 hours times 365 days times 5 years = 21.900 hours. So theoretically it should run 10 years.


See my above edit btw.
    
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ah thats exactly what I was getting at to, i was wondering where you got your 4 year number from because I remembered that 50,000 hour operation life label too.

EDIT: you got the jist of things haha

Perhaps im over emphasizing my own system too, as mine is a bit different from what most people use, at least from what ive seen. Im also very "proud" (for lack of a better term) of my pump/tanks as they are huge features of my rig and were big investments, not just financially but they were alot of work to get installed properly. lol
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