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ah thats exactly what I was getting at to, i was wondering where you got your 4 year number from because I remembered that 50,000 hour operation life label too.

EDIT: you got the jist of things haha

I should just keep what I have. If it ain't broken don't fix it, right?
It's just that I am over concerned sometimes. Also the perfectionist in me I guess.

Somehow I do like doing calculations. Maybe I should switch careers. biggrin.gif

After reading a review it seems like the 50x would be more of a side-grade (if not down) in my current setup.
Here is a picture of the review (thanks to @geggeg for writing this review back then).


This test was with a loop of just over 3 psi drop (mine is 2.94) so it should be comparable.
D5 shoving ~35dBA and the 50x ~38dBA.

Even if I were to aim for 1.5GPM the 50x would be horrid on the ears (I'm very sensitive to noise). And then I might just as well grab two D5 pumps as serial would be necessary anyway.


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I'm lazy, sorry. Do you have some pictures of the proud-worthy reservoir/pump(s)? biggrin.gif
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ah thats exactly what I was getting at to, i was wondering where you got your 4 year number from because I remembered that 50,000 hour operation life label too.

EDIT: you got the jist of things haha

Perhaps im over emphasizing my own system too, as mine is a bit different from what most people use, at least from what ive seen. Im also very "proud" (for lack of a better term) of my pump/tanks as they are huge features of my rig and were big investments, not just financially but they were alot of work to get installed properly. lol

It's actually "Gist" thumb.gif

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I should just keep what I have. If it ain't broken don't fix it, right?
It's just that I am over concerned sometimes. Also the perfectionist in me I guess.

Somehow I do like doing calculations. Maybe I should switch careers. biggrin.gif

After reading a review it seems like the 50x would be more of a side-grade (if not down) in my current setup.
Here is a picture of the review (thanks to @geggeg for writing this review back then).


This test was with a loop of just over 3 psi drop (mine is 2.94) so it should be comparable.
D5 shoving ~35dBA and the 50x ~38dBA.

Even if I were to aim for 1.5GPM the 50x would be horrid on the ears (I'm very sensitive to noise). And then I might just as well grab two D5 pumps as serial would be necessary anyway.


edit:
I'm lazy, sorry. Do you have some pictures of the proud-worthy reservoir/pump(s)? biggrin.gif

if I were you I would definately stick with the D5, I personally cant see anything being an upgrade from it. How is yours configured?

Heres a few pics of my pumps, im running a dual loop configuration in my build, so dual DDC for each loop. Ive always loved Bitspower reservoirs and pump accessories, so when they released their Magic cube DDC top that can be connected serially for multi-pump systems, I knew right away what I was going to go for with my build. However there was an issue with the kit for connecting 2 pumps, the o-ring that went inbetween the two pump tops was way too small and it leaked as a result. I was really upset, but eventually I was able to fit a thicker o-ring (with a TON of effort I might add) inbetween and its worked magnificently since.

These things are heavy too, getting them mounted wasnt easy either, theres no where near as many DDC mounting accessories and components out there as there are for the D5.








D5 to me seems to be much more popular, so ive been curious as to when ill see someone using a configuration like this redface.gif I really wished Bitspower didn't change the Black Sparkle mod kits for the D5s, the past version where it was chromed and shiny was absolutely beautiful.....

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It's actually "Gist" thumb.gif

TCO

ah, thanks smile.gif
Edited by Nichismo - 7/23/16 at 5:58am
post #99544 of 107354
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if I were you I would definately stick with the D5, I personally cant see anything being an upgrade from it. How is yours configured?

Heres a few pics of my pumps, im running a dual loop configuration in my build, Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
so dual DDC for each loop. Ive always loved Bitspower reservoirs and pump accessories, so when they released their Magic cube DDC top that can be connected serially for multi-pump systems, I knew right away what I was going to go for with my build. However there was an issue with the kit for connecting 2 pumps, the o-ring that went inbetween the two pump tops was way too small and it leaked as a result. I was really upset, but eventually I was able to fit a thicker o-ring (with a TON of effort I might add) inbetween and its worked magnificently since.

These things are heavy too, getting them mounted wasnt easy either, theres no where near as many DDC mounting accessories and components out there as there are for the D5.








D5 to me seems to be much more popular, so ive been curious as to when ill see someone using a configuration like this redface.gif I really wished Bitspower didn't change the Black Sparkle mod kits for the D5s, the past version where it was chromed and shiny was absolutely beautiful.....
ah, thanks smile.gif

I had no Idea you were running 4 DDC pumps in that build. Interesting!

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I have always believed that the OEM watercooling pumps (specifically the DDC and D5 variations) have always been "overkill" for typical loops, however thats obviously all relative.

That being said, I really have a hard time picturing a pump failing out of pure longevity. Now I dont necessarily want to encourage you to simply wait until your pump randomly stops working.... but then again, if you aren't really keen on the idea of buying a new pump and doing the work to replace it, id say wait.

As far as flow goes, refer to my first statement. I personally believe pressure is more important, but only by a little. They obviously have close relativity in regards to how they effect one another.

I hate the term "overkill." Hate using it even more.

haha

And yet you run 2 DDC's for an SLI setup and another pair for just the CPU and a ram block? doh.gif
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I have always believed that the OEM watercooling pumps (specifically the DDC and D5 variations) have always been "overkill" for typical loops, however thats obviously all relative.

That being said, I really have a hard time picturing a pump failing out of pure longevity. Now I dont necessarily want to encourage you to simply wait until your pump randomly stops working.... but then again, if you aren't really keen on the idea of buying a new pump and doing the work to replace it, id say wait.

As far as flow goes, refer to my first statement. I personally believe pressure is more important, but only by a little. They obviously have close relativity in regards to how they effect one another.

I hate the term "overkill." Hate using it even more.

haha

And yet you run 2 DDC's for an SLI setup and another pair for just the CPU and a ram block? doh.gif


In larger cases with plenty of space, I can see multiple pumps as an aesthetics decision, as opposed to any hydraulics based need for them.

Pretty much the same thing as expecting dual reservoirs in an SMA8 build, it just looks nicer, whether it's a single or dual loop.


I mean if you're going to call out dual pumps over singles as overkill, and dual loops over a single in an SLi build as overkill, . . .

Then why not call out nearly all custom loops over AiO's for overkill as well . . . . it's the same idea . . . more than necessary to perform a function . .

Because the looks are often as, and sometimes more, important to the builder than simply meeting a need.

You, above most anyone here, know how individualized aesthetics are, . . .

That remark just seems a wee bit too ad hominem and petty.



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Edited by IT Diva - 7/23/16 at 7:00am
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And yet you run 2 DDC's for an SLI setup and another pair for just the CPU and a ram block? doh.gif

facepalm.jpg

theres a reason why I used quotations around overkill, and then in the same post, I complained about having to use the term overkill, and how I generally hate it all together....There was a point I was attempting to articulate

Its funny you bold that part, but literally right after that I said "however its obviously all relative" and its not just a cpu and a ram block. Its actually 4 waterblocks, with an extremely sophisticated crystal link setup, I literally went with 90 degree bends from start to finish.

This is my previous build where I used only 2 DDC:


Make no mistake, anyone with a build this size and with these components would have been using D5's for sure. Since I upgraded my pump setup, the change was MASSIVE, it suprised even me. Granted there was a few other small changes I made, but the bulk of it was due to the pump upgrade.

I dont know why but due to some peoples comments, the DDC is underrated, and my setup performs extremely well. Ive gotten some flak for this setup, and I remember when JamesWalt1 did his Robocop build with a similar pump configuration, the same thing happened. But both me and James are able to say weve actually tried both and know for certain which we prefer.

Good lord, my hate for the term overkill has never been this high. God forbid I decide to use it 1 time and it backfires this bad......mad.gif
Edited by Nichismo - 7/23/16 at 7:17am
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facepalm.jpg

theres a reason why I used quotations around overkill, and then in the same post, I complained about having to use the term overkill, and how I generally hate it all together....There was a point I was attempting to articulate

Its funny you bold that part, but literally right after that I said "however its obviously all relative" and its not just a cpu and a ram block. Its actually 4 waterblocks, with an extremely sophisticated crystal link setup, I literally went with 90 degree bends from start to finish.

This is my previous build where I used only 2 DDC:


Make no mistake, anyone with a build this size and with these components would have been using D5's for sure. Since I upgraded my pump setup, the change was MASSIVE, it suprised even me. Granted there was a few other small changes I made, but the bulk of it was due to the pump upgrade.

I dont know why but due to some peoples comments, the DDC is underrated, and my setup performs extremely well. Ive gotten some flak for this setup, and I remember when JamesWalt1 did his Robocop build with a similar pump configuration, the same thing happened. But both me and James are able to say weve actually tried both and know for certain which we prefer.

Good lord, my hate for the term overkill has never been this high. God forbid I decide to use it 1 time and it backfires this bad......mad.gif

But That is really all you "Needed" I guess you could say.

My SMA8 has a single DDC to run each loop as well. Pushing Fluid in one loop through 2 rads (480, 240), 2 GPU Blocks. The Other loop is powered by one DDC through the CPU Block and 2 rads (480, 240) as well.

TCO
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Yeah but I was also concerned with the large reservoirs bearing all that coolant down onto the pumps, and then on top of that I wasn't using rotary fittings for the angles like I am now, so I was certain that there could be alot of room for improvement. Not to mention the redundancy I have now as well, peace of mind is important to me redface.gif

I must say also that as far as the SLI loop goes, in the back of the motherboard wall where all the cable routing is, there is a Y fitting with quick disconnects coming out of both ends. Since there is only a 40mm 240 rad with only 2 fans in push, I set the loop up like this so I could expand it with an external radiator box, which im in the process of building right now. I havn't even had the chance to OC my GPUs at all yet because I wanted to finish this first.

Best of all though is my CPU temps have never been this incredibly low. Im comfortable at 4300mhz and even under 100% load in Prime95 I barely go over 40C. Even at my highest OC of 4705mhz temps barely rose higher than that.
Edited by Nichismo - 7/23/16 at 7:35am
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It's actually "Gist" thumb.gif

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FX-6350 Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 Zotac 1070 AMP! Extreme Corsair Vengance 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Hitachi  Samsung EVO SSD Toshiba 2TB HDD Pioneer DVD-RW DVR212D SATA 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
XSPC Raystorm Windows 7 Home Premium Asus VS248H-P Samsung 226BW 
PowerCaseMouse
Kingwin 850 Lazer Coolermaster Stacker STC-T01 Razer Diamondback 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-6350 Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 Zotac 1070 AMP! Extreme Corsair Vengance 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Hitachi  Samsung EVO SSD Toshiba 2TB HDD Pioneer DVD-RW DVR212D SATA 
CoolingOSMonitorMonitor
XSPC Raystorm Windows 7 Home Premium Asus VS248H-P Samsung 226BW 
PowerCaseMouse
Kingwin 850 Lazer Coolermaster Stacker STC-T01 Razer Diamondback 
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