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And I will keep stating they are wrong
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post #99582 of 107329
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Originally Posted by Mega Man View Post

And I will keep stating they are wrong

Proof? Because with the DDC,speed equals heat which,according to you,shortens the lifespan.

Lower speed preserves bearings too.

I'm interested to hear your thought process on this.
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I do know when a air pump encounters too much resistance on a low setting it can increase heat output and can burn up a pump but if it is pumping steadily running at a higher setting it runs cooler. This would be if you encounter a resistance issue though, if the pump is running smoothly on low it only seems logical it would be better for it. I would assume a water pump is pretty much the same.
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Originally Posted by Mega Man View Post

Idk y but it went from most prefer d5 but both are good pumps to d5onry all else inferior.

I prefer ddcs bit frankly I like the micro pumps recently and may have to have some fun with those soon

As for me i have something made that attaches to a water hose that I put on my hot water heater. Put the other side down a drain flush one side then reverse the flow and flush the other direction.

Some use vinegar others lemon juice others water .

I actually (indirectly) started the thing going again.
Asked people about the lifespan of my D5, went on to think about switching to a DDC... Then posted some stuff from a review of the Swiftech mcp50x Geggeg placed a while ago with calculations of my loop restriction (~3psi drop). Then found out that the 50x alone wouldn't even help much compared to my d5 currently. So dual's were needed..... and then the overkill topic started rolling again. Making the Correcting One join in. And then the party was complete. jerry.gif

I've actually also used the tap to hose to rad thing before.
Beware to advice people to do that: don't run high pressure, you may damage the tubes in the radiator.
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People sure are passionate about the DDC v D5 discussion huh? applaud.gif



I seemed to have missed the firefight, narrowly.

TCO

See above.

I was actually honestly interested and serious.
Made calculations and all and wanted some advice on whether to change my d5 or not.

But I have to agree that the contradiction of "overkill man" was somewhat funny.
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So basically what I said is correct then? So long as your pump overcomes the resistance of the blocks and still flows at a reasonable rate (not trickle) then it should work fine? So setting a pump to the lowest setting assuming it actually pumps would be better for pump longevity and get the same results? I am just trying to understand how everything works.

What is your criteria for "actually pumps"?
The point where it barely moves water?

I don't have actual data to back this up but I don't think the pump will last longer if set on a lower speed (bearing should last longer theoretically). Like said before, above a certain point the gains will diminish. At some point you will get a very small performance increase (lower delta) but that will be cancelled out by the increased heat dump from the pump using more power.
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And all of this,chapter and verse.

There is no need for acid cleaning,the flux which is the problem, is water-soluble.

Agreed.
I did flush new rads with just distilled.

However, I do clean them(periodic) with acid (diluted) to get gunk/dye out.
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On the question of when to replace pumps...

This for me is a twofold answer.

1)Whenever you like

2)When it dies.

Personally, before I run any pump; It's best to have one on the way or already on the shelf should something(heaven forbid) go wrong. This way you're not sitting on the sideline and grumpy from lack of being connected.

On the issue of heat build up with both, lower RPM equates more heat. Just like fans they require a reasonable amount of power to limit the RPMs. Sorry if I'm not technically savvy regarding specific verbage, but motors are delicate beasts and putting less power to the drive is just as bad as putting a maximum load to it. Somewhere in the middle is probably the best in my mind. I could be wrong and defer to people with more experience than I have, but...

An can we just agree that one has more head pressure and the other has better flow rates? Head pressure being the highest point that water will achieve straight up and Flowrate being how many Gallons/Liters per minute the pump will flow. DDC and D5 in this order. There is nothing at all wrong with DDC pumps and they've actually started pushing into the D5 marketshare. I remember when the flavour of the day was the D5. thumb.gif

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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post

On the question of when to replace pumps...

This for me is a twofold answer.

1)Whenever you like

2)When it dies.

Personally, before I run any pump; It's best to have one on the way or already on the shelf should something(heaven forbid) go wrong. This way you're not sitting on the sideline and grumpy from lack of being connected.

On the issue of heat build up with both, lower RPM equates more heat. Just like fans they require a reasonable amount of power to limit the RPMs. Sorry if I'm not technically savvy regarding specific verbage, but motors are delicate beasts and putting less power to the drive is just as bad as putting a maximum load to it. Somewhere in the middle is probably the best in my mind. I could be wrong and defer to people with more experience than I have, but...

An can we just agree that one has more head pressure and the other has better flow rates? Head pressure being the highest point that water will achieve straight up and Flowrate being how many Gallons/Liters per minute the pump will flow. DDC and D5 in this order. There is nothing at all wrong with DDC pumps and they've actually started pushing into the D5 marketshare. I remember when the flavour of the day was the D5. thumb.gif
~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

Explain how lower RPM = More heat? 18w DDC's require a heatsink to be run flat out for extended periods and yet doesnt for low speed? If its voltage controlled,less RPM means less power draw and less rotational friction. How does that equate to more heat?
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Explain how lower RPM = More heat? 18w DDC's require a heatsink to be run flat out for extended periods and yet doesnt for low speed? If its voltage controlled,less RPM means less power draw and less rotational friction. How does that equate to more heat?

The general idea would be that as the water moves through the housing it cools the motor. More fluid, more cooling, but of course it doesn't always work out that way. Depends a lot on how the motor and housing are constructed for removing said heat more than anything else.
     
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I don't know about pumps but I hate driving my car when it wants to be at 1000 RPMs ... I am forever dropping back a gear because a) I like a more responsive drive and b) I don't want my car engine to labor.

This may ... or may not ... apply to pumps. biggrin.gifwheee.gifbiggrin.gifwheee.gifbiggrin.gifwheee.gifbiggrin.gifwheee.gifbiggrin.gifwheee.gifbiggrin.gifwheee.gifbiggrin.gifwheee.gifbiggrin.gifwheee.gifbiggrin.gifwheee.gif
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The general idea would be that as the water moves through the housing it cools the motor. More fluid, more cooling, but of course it doesn't always work out that way. Depends a lot on how the motor and housing are constructed for removing said heat more than anything else.

In the case of the DDC it doesn't work, DDC's are passively cooled by the housing or heatsink. D5's are actively cooled by the fluid.
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The general idea would be that as the water moves through the housing it cools the motor. More fluid, more cooling, but of course it doesn't always work out that way. Depends a lot on how the motor and housing are constructed for removing said heat more than anything else.

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In the case of the DDC it doesn't work, DDC's are passively cooled by the housing or heatsink. D5's are actively cooled by the fluid.
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