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And I will keep stating they are wrong

Proof? Because with the DDC,speed equals heat which,according to you,shortens the lifespan.

Lower speed preserves bearings too.

I'm interested to hear your thought process on this.
bearings will work fine as long as heat is kept in check.

also from the way i understand it, the ddc does not get hot, the PCB/electronics do, i could be wrong but that is what it seems to me needs cooling ?

lastly i would put that on EBKAC if said user does not properly cool the ddc can you blame the pump ?
it isnt like the heat buildup is a new thing

as to how to run them at fast speeds, heatsinks and fans work great !
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Another consideration in regards to heat produced by our pumps is the restriction they are pumping in to.

On the weekend I was running 2x EK 3.2 DDC pumps coupled with a Swiftech dual top. I had both of the pumps running at 100% drive yet they were only warm even after a few hours of running. No heatsink was required....!

Reducing the restriction caused the pumps to rise in temp quickly.
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post #99603 of 107137
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Another consideration in regards to heat produced by our pumps is the restriction they are pumping in to.

On the weekend I was running 2x EK 3.2 DDC pumps coupled with a Swiftech dual top. I had both of the pumps running at 100% drive yet they were only warm even after a few hours of running. No heatsink was required....!

Reducing the restriction caused the pumps to rise in temp quickly.

Is that a typo?
Or do you mean it when you say that the pump is cooler under higher restriction?


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The brass has really started to come through from the brushed look I gave it and I actually quite like it. Painted the mosfet block also.

post #99605 of 107137
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bearings will work fine as long as heat is kept in check.

also from the way i understand it, the ddc does not get hot, the PCB/electronics do, i could be wrong but that is what it seems to me needs cooling ?

lastly i would put that on EBKAC if said user does not properly cool the ddc can you blame the pump ?
it isnt like the heat buildup is a new thing

as to how to run them at fast speeds, heatsinks and fans work great !

So you are saying the electronic part of the pump is not part of the DDC pump itself? That makes zero sense,they are one and the same,they are part of a pump assembly.

If the pump doesnt stay within a working temperature then yes,its the pumps fault if the application is within the working range,especially when all the heatsinks etc are an aftermarket part and not part of the OEM pump.
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From looking at everyones opinions here I could be wrong but this is what I am getting out of it.

If the pump uses PWM to adjust speed then it gets full voltage always so there is no difference in heat output from the actual voltage supplied but increasing the speed of course can increase the heat created through more friction and peaking of motors ability.

Restriction becomes a factor because if a pump is being restricted too much it causes it to overheat (I mentioned this as well as Costas).

So my conclusion still pretty much remains the same. For longevity sake as long as you overcome the restriction of the loop and are pumping in normal range of flow a lower setting would be better. It may only extend the life a week or even a day but if you are not encountering restriction low speed is theoretically better for the pump.

On the other hand if it is voltage regulated then running at the higher end closer to the normal rated voltage of the pump would be better (taking into account restriction here as well).

As Mega-Man has mentioned this could be very minimal I have no way to know myself without testing multiple pumps which of course would require quite a few to account for variability but theoretically this all seems to make sense.
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post #99607 of 107137
Also since most of the original designs of these pumps came from other uses like fishtanks I doubt they took into account high restriction which some pumps can overcome but possibly overheat due to heavy restriction. This is possibly why aftermarket heatsinks are required on some pumps? Just thinking out-loud and wondering biggrin.gif
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post #99608 of 107137
You guys have it backwards.... DDCs run hot with LOW restriction setups.... They run way cooler for a given speed when operating on mid to high restriction setups.

Our pumps are basically a brushless motor and nothing more.

The total heat dump from the electronics is from the driver IC and the winding loses of the motor windings. Bearing heat is a non event unless you run it dry... smile.gif

To calculate heat generated you need to work out the RMS voltage across the windings.

The voltage across the windings is pulsed by the driver IC - The PWM aignal you feed in simply tells the driver IC to speed up or down and apart from that it is sort of irrelevant to the drive signal the windings receive as far as heat dissipated is concerned.

The DC input is basically converted to a PWM 3 phase AC signal which is then applied to the motor windings. Timing ( phase timing), PWM voltage applied and duty cycle must all be factored for to work out heat losses.
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Is that a typo?
Or do you mean it when you say that the pump is cooler under higher restriction?


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Don't even get them started on Parallel vs Serial rolleyes.gif

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Don't even get them started on Parallel vs Serial rolleyes.gif

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Oh no, don't get that started again, The Contentious One!

Here, a pump that will not overheat.

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FX-6350 Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 Zotac 1070 AMP! Extreme Corsair Vengance 
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Hitachi  Samsung EVO SSD Toshiba 2TB HDD Pioneer DVD-RW DVR212D SATA 
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XSPC Raystorm Windows 7 Home Premium Asus VS248H-P Samsung 226BW 
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Kingwin 850 Lazer Coolermaster Stacker STC-T01 Razer Diamondback 
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