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8ms response times. Going to be like watching ghostbusters.....

To me response times as one of those things that's highly over exaggerated of what's needed. You have people like yourself, who say things like "OMG ANYTHING OVER 2MS IS HORRIBLE!!! I CAN TOTALLY NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE!! GHOSTING!!11!1". I've gamed on monitors with 16ms response times (Dell 2007WFP), and noticed no ghosting whatsoever. So honestly, I'm really not to worried about the U2412M's 8ms. On top of the fact that every person who actually owns the monitor, claims to have no problem with them. Thanks for your input though.

There's also the fact that response time is not an accurate image of how much a display ghosts. Nowhere near that. I've had 2ms displays that ghost as much as some 12ms ones I have. Again, marketing stats, not to be trusted.

The u2412m has decently low ghosting but with slight RTC overshoot, u2312hm is similar without the RTC overshoot. Perfectly fine for gaming.
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There's also the fact that response time is not an accurate image of how much a display ghosts. Nowhere near that. I've had 2ms displays that ghost as much as some 12ms ones I have. Again, marketing stats, not to be trusted.
The u2412m has decently low ghosting but with slight RTC overshoot, u2312hm is similar without the RTC overshoot. Perfectly fine for gaming.

I can show you half a dozen reviews showing the 7ms delay of the u3011 and 6ms of the 2711 are noticeable. In fact many can't play on them because its very noticeable when gaming compared to a 2ms monitor. To have 8ms on a 1980x1200 monitor would just not be worth it especially in fps gaming. At least with the other 2 mentioned you get 2560 resolutions to make up for the lag and ghosting. But in the end I agree with you that it will hardly matter since none of these 60hz monitors will display anything over 60-70fps making the ms differences very subtle. But to say there is no difference between 2ms and 8ms is incorrect. There is a difference and viewable lag (response) in fast paced games. The fact that you don't notice a difference doesn't change that there is a viewable difference.
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There's also the fact that response time is not an accurate image of how much a display ghosts. Nowhere near that. I've had 2ms displays that ghost as much as some 12ms ones I have. Again, marketing stats, not to be trusted.
The u2412m has decently low ghosting but with slight RTC overshoot, u2312hm is similar without the RTC overshoot. Perfectly fine for gaming.

I can show you half a dozen reviews showing the 7ms delay of the u3011 and 6ms of the 2711 are noticeable. In fact many can't play on them because its very noticeable when gaming compared to a 2ms monitor. To have 8ms on a 1980x1200 monitor would just not be worth it especially in fps gaming. At least with the other 2 mentioned you get 2560 resolutions to make up for the lag and ghosting. But in the end I agree with you that it will hardly matter since none of these 60hz monitors will display anything over 60-70fps making the ms differences very subtle. But to say there is no difference between 2ms and 8ms is incorrect. There is a difference and viewable lag (response) in fast paced games. The fact that you don't notice a difference doesn't change that there is aviewablel difference.

There's a difference between there being no difference and there being a difference yet the statistics not being able to describe it due to being so simplistic and often just made up marketing. wink.gif Major emphasis on this one

I haven't heard too many people complain about the ghosting on the higher end ultrasharp models, only input lag. If you refer to that, that's a whole nother matter than response time. In modern higher end LCDs, input lag is more of an issue in my opinion. At least, more people seem to be unhappy with that than ghosting. I have only seen one or two complaints of ghosting and dozens upon dozens of complaints of input lag on higher end IPS panels. Ghosting? Not so much. It's not that bad in comparison to conventional 60hz TN panels that it would be a major downgrade in that department.

But at the end of a day, all LCDs ghost. This might sound CRT elitist, but it's just the truth. You won't get anywhere near as smooth of a moving image on LCDs. To say that "the ghosting is noticeable on high response time monitor X" yet claim it's not on even the fastest 120hz monitors is also quite inaccurate.
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There's a difference between there being no difference and there being a difference yet the statistics not being able to describe it due to being so simplistic and often just made up marketing. wink.gif Major emphasis on this one
I haven't heard too many people complain about the ghosting on the higher end ultrasharp models, only input lag. If you refer to that, that's a whole nother matter than response time. In modern higher end LCDs, input lag is more of an issue in my opinion. At least, more people seem to be unhappy with that than ghosting. I have only seen one or two complaints of ghosting and dozens upon dozens of complaints of input lag on higher end IPS panels. Ghosting? Not so much. It's not that bad in comparison to conventional 60hz TN panels that it would be a major downgrade in that department.
But at the end of a day, all LCDs ghost. This might sound CRT elitist, but it's just the truth. You won't get anywhere near as smooth of a moving image on LCDs. To say that "the ghosting is noticeable on high response time monitor X" yet claim it's not on even the fastest 120hz monitors is also quite inaccurate.

Yeah but when will we ever see a modern technology CRT? It is true that all lcd's will have this effect but when your running 100+fps on a 120hz monitor regardless of its design(material) its amazingly smooth and accurate. I just recently experienced it this past weekend. It takes pc gaming to an entirely different level. Sure you have to spend over a grand on gpu's but its well worth it imo.
 
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Cards: 2 X ASUS DCII Radeon HD 6970 2GB, Crossfired
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Will be joining today. My monitors/display port adapter are on the truck for delivery. Now it's just a waiting game. smile.gif

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Picture will be posted when I get it all set up!

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Woo!!!! looks good!
    
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Gonna order some U2412Ms this week wooo!
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Nice!
I wouldn't mind replacing my 2 side U2410 for some of those and cut down on the heat output tongue.gif
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