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post #21 of 38
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Originally Posted by RoscoeMcGurk
Exactly, theyre actually not screwing themselves at all. They want you to buy a cpu now, and another in a year again. They milk it at each little step, like most things it's all about money, not advancing technology really. Don't think theyre actually releasing the highest technology they've come up with at each step. It's all collusion between these companies, they plan this stuff out many years in advance.

If not for money, technology would be vastly more advanced than it is now. It actually is quite advanced, but you won't see it until they've made their millions at each little tiny step. They all do it, Nvidia could have released something like the 7800GT years ago, but they would have made a crap load less money that way. They all talk to each other, like "ok, next year when you increase your mobo that tiny bit, we'll increase our gpu a tiny bit" scratching each others backs. It's sad but true. Notice how they won't release a 7800GT agp version? One clue for you, it has nothing to do with agp 8x not being able to handle a 7800. They want to force you to also spend $500 on a new cpu and mobo, so their intel and mobo buddies get theirs too. Or vice versa if you do buy that new cpu and mobo, you also have to buy a new vid card so their nvidia buddies get theirs. Either way, they all win.

They could have had dual or quad processors many years ago. They'd like you to think they've had some breakthrough with 65nm technology, like they just figured it out or something lol. It's bs, they've known how to do it for quite some time now, but first they had to make you buy a willamette, northwood, then prescott, then 775 prescott (and you did right? ). Then they'll change the socket again, for no other reason than to make you buy a new mobo and probably vid card again, they love scratching each others backs, they all make more money that way.
Actually the really old servers had 9 processors. Which all added up wouldnt even equal a 200mhz processor.
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post #22 of 38
Yes we said they are but the point is INTEL DO NOT SUCK! They are a good processor but not the "best"
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Question (srry if i sound like a newb):

But if AMD cpus are so much better, not only in gaming but also in other tasks, then why are they alot cheaper than intel p4s.

For example, I bought my p4 pressy 2.4a for $130, when at the same time I could have purchased an AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Newcastle for $139, which probably owns my 2.4a not only in gaming but in almost everything.
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Actually the really old servers had 9 processors. Which all added up wouldnt even equal a 200mhz processor.
Servers today have 9 processors.. I fail to see the point, its not like it was 9 processors on one chip.. Its just multiple cpu's; they have been being used for quite awhile.
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post #25 of 38
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Question (srry if i sound like a newb):

But if AMD cpus are so much better, not only in gaming but also in other tasks, then why are they alot cheaper than intel p4s.

For example, I bought my p4 pressy 2.4a for $130, when at the same time I could have purchased an AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Newcastle for $139, which probably owns my 2.4a not only in gaming but in almost everything.
Well that's the whole point that we're all trying to make here, AMD's aren't so much better, and they don't own Intels, that's just fanboy talk. The vid card you have is the most major ingredient anyway. There's no denying that AMD's are better gamers than Intel's, but it's not as big of a margin as some would lead you to believe. Like I already said, who cares if you get 100fps or 90fps in a game? It just doesn't matter, they both go so high over what's required to play the game smooth that I doubt you'd notice the difference.

So when people say AMD's are better, what's better mean exactly? Benchmarks? Computers are for using not just benchmarking, at least in my book. Some people put way too much stock into benchmarks I think. They look at some benchmark (which btw sometimes says very little about real world performance) where an AMD got 10,000 and the Intel got 8 or 9000, and they say "****! that AMD just pwnt the hell outta that Intel!!!". But then you think what's required to play smooth, 1000? 2000? You can show me all the benchmarks you like, but I've been playing F.E.A.R lately (great game btw, really fun and kinda scary) with some pretty damn high graphics on my system, and it's plays freakin awesome, and that's on a 6800GT not even a 7800GT. So like I care that an AMD would beat me by a few fps, his won't play any "better" than mine. Like I said, smooth is smooth period. You don't need a drag racing car to go to the grocery store do you? lol

As far as the prices, maybe for a semi budget system AMD's are a bit cheaper, but have you seen how much a high end AMD or Intel costs? My poor wallet just shed a tear thinking about it.
    
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post #26 of 38
well I do want to take back my words from earlier. I agree with others that 'suck' is not a good word for this purpose.

Intel cpu's do not suck for gaming. They are not as good as AMD processors for gaming, but that is all. Just because one is better than the other does not mean the other sucks.

I do want to point out the link I posted earlier
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...cpu-games.html
they clearly found that AMD processors are better for games than Intel. There were even some games where a standard clocked 3200+ was waster than Intel's extreme edition cpus which cost about 6x more.

however, that is not the whole story. xbit labs also did a part 2 where they compared graphics cards... no supurise here, the gpu is the main factor determining gaming performance. you can read up here
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...pu-games2.html

the difference does come into play when you have 2 systems that are comparable. same gfx cards, similar RAM (well as close as you can get bt/wn DDR and DDR2) and similar processors. Then you will see a difference bt/wn the AMD and Intel systems.

the bottom line is that Intel processors perform just fine in games. However, if you want the best then AMD clearly has the lead.
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post #27 of 38
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the difference does come into play when you have 2 systems that are comparable. same gfx cards, similar RAM (well as close as you can get bt/wn DDR and DDR2) and similar processors. Then you will see a difference bt/wn the AMD and Intel systems.
I'm sure you're right, AMD does win in gaming, but it depends on the situation and whether that extra performance is even noticed whatsoever. I guess my point is, does one really see the difference, or just think there's a difference because the benchmark says so? I'm thinking the latter in almost every case. I just don't put much faith into benchmarks compared to some people, many times it's irrelevant to me. Vid card like you say is the main determining factor by far.
    
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post #28 of 38
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well I do want to take back my words from earlier. I agree with others that 'suck' is not a good word for this purpose.

Intel cpu's do not suck for gaming. They are not as good as AMD processors for gaming, but that is all. Just because one is better than the other does not mean the other sucks.

I do want to point out the link I posted earlier
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...cpu-games.html
they clearly found that AMD processors are better for games than Intel. There were even some games where a standard clocked 3200+ was waster than Intel's extreme edition cpus which cost about 6x more.

however, that is not the whole story. xbit labs also did a part 2 where they compared graphics cards... no supurise here, the gpu is the main factor determining gaming performance. you can read up here
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...pu-games2.html

the difference does come into play when you have 2 systems that are comparable. same gfx cards, similar RAM (well as close as you can get bt/wn DDR and DDR2) and similar processors. Then you will see a difference bt/wn the AMD and Intel systems.

the bottom line is that Intel processors perform just fine in games. However, if you want the best then AMD clearly has the lead.
This is the one that really shocked me. 40 fps or 50% isn't a small margin. That's a pretty hefty difference
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu...u-games_5.html
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post #29 of 38
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I'm sure you're right, AMD does win in gaming, but it depends on the situation and whether that extra performance is even noticed whatsoever. I guess my point is, does one really see the difference, or just think there's a difference because the benchmark says so? I'm thinking the latter in almost every case. I just don't put much faith into benchmarks compared to some people, many times it's irrelevant to me. Vid card like you say is the main determining factor by far.
well, I'm not much into benchmarking myself. I couldn't tell you what my P4 530 system benchmarked at compared to my AMD 3200+ system. But I can tell you that my AMD system runs games more smoothly than did my Intel system... so much so that my parents are now using my Intel system.... sold it to them for the price of my 2 seagates.
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From what i heard most AMD CPU's isn't good @ Encoding, Multitasking & File Compression. But when it comes to some games & 3D Rendering AMD is little better(Depends on VGA).
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