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Hmmm if i remember correct the DVI on reference cards from XFX are black not red. Pretty sure they have 2 crossfire bridge slots as well. Appears that indeed that card is non reference.

EDIT: Reference cards are PCI-E 2.1 also, not 2.0
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Hmmm if i remember correct the DVI on reference cards from XFX are black not red. Pretty sure they have 2 crossfire bridge slots as well. Appears that indeed that card is non reference.

EDIT: Reference cards are PCI-E 2.1 also, not 2.0
Mine is a Reference card. It has Red DVI connections, and has single XFire connection. And as far as I know 2.1 came AFTER the 57** series cards. In fact MANY non reference cards up through 58** series are non reference and are in fact 2.1 PCI-e. Nevermind that there aren't many if any 2.1 capable Motherboards. My board doesn't have a single 2.1 slot anywhere on it. So 2.1 means nothing at this point until it becomes standard.

The way to find out however is to install Afterburner. If you can adjust the voltage and everything else looks good(other than the single XFire connection) then the card is most likely Reference.

Four ways to tell if you have a reference card...

1) Card has Black pcb

2) Fan is at the end of the Card not the middle.

3) Power connection is at the end of the card not anywhere on the side.

4) Says AMD on the pcb along the PCI-e connection. Lacking this doesn't necessarily mean non Reference.

Also I would point out that you pretty much cannot overclock non reference cards. I have the same Card and I've overclocked it using the auto tune feature in Catalyst. It did quite well but would be better running on water since I Fold and it drives the temps up in my case. I didn't have a single problem when I was gaming with a max clock of 1395/950.

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Well it is what it is. Seems looking at that newegg page that was linked, someone else mentioned it NOT being a reference card.

I have heard different then what you post so believe what you will (not saying your wrong). Both mine are reference running 1000/1360 and they have black dvi ports, 2 crossfire connections and are listed as 2.1 not 2.0.
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Well it is what it is. Seems looking at that newegg page that was linked, someone else mentioned it NOT being a reference card.

I have heard different then what you post so believe what you will (not saying your wrong). Both mine are reference running 1000/1360 and they have black dvi ports, 2 crossfire connections and are listed as 2.1 not 2.0.
Sir Beregond said his wasn't reference but it's the same as mine. That doesn't mean it's reference but the only way to find out is to use Afterburner, because if it's not reference you can't adjust the voltage of your card.

The 2.1 identifier is fallacious imho.



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Sir Beregond said his wasn't reference but it's the same as mine. That doesn't mean it's reference but the only way to find out is to use Afterburner, because if it's not reference you can't adjust the voltage of your card.

The 2.1 identifier is fallacious imho.



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Right I understand what your saying. Trying to overclock it is the easiest way to know for sure. But even in the post you linked me it says that non reference cards have one crossfire connector.
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UPDATE 5/13/10 -- It has come to my attention that XFX is selling non-reference ATI 5770 cards that look very much like a reference design. They appear to have the Phoenix-shroud cooler, as well as the squirrel cage fan. However, they only have one Crossfire connector, rather than the two found on a reference-design card. While there probably aren't many of you that wish to run three 5770 cards in TriFire mode, there might be those of you who wish to buy a reference 5770 for voltage adjustment --and these cards do not have the necessary voltage regulation circuitry. Note the picture below, which shows both the (old) reference design, and the (new) non-reference one.
I'm not trying to argue. All I know is that I have an XFX with black dvi ports, two crossfire connectors and bat mobile shroud. I also have a Sapphire with the egg shaped cooler and black dvi ports with two crossfire connectors. Both are reference and both overclock to 1000/1360 easy. I'm not saying that what mine have is what is needed to be a reference card. I'm just putting info out there that I know to be true. Just going off what I have in my current rig.
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Right I understand what your saying. Trying to overclock it is the easiest way to know for sure. But even in the post you linked me it says that non reference cards have one crossfire connector.


I'm not trying to argue. All I know is that I have an XFX with black dvi ports, two crossfire connectors and bat mobile shroud. I also have a Sapphire with the egg shaped cooler and black dvi ports with two crossfire connectors. Both are reference and both overclock to 1000/1360 easy. I'm not saying that what mine have is what is needed to be a reference card. I'm just putting info out there that I know to be true. Just going off what I have in my current rig.
I think what you're not understanding is our cards are single connection because XFX and other companies decided to cheap out by cutting back on one connection. Basically they abandoned the races of the 2nd connection. I can't tell you if they still exist under the pcb layers but I've had no problems OC'ing my card. Worked just fine.

At the very least XFX kept the basic setup but skimped. No worries though, I don't get all bent out of shape over simple discussions like this.

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Isn't msi hawk with the twin frozer on it a non reference card?

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I fail to see your argument. They may both be 5770's, but I am sorry the XFX may have the same cooler, but the PCB is different for sure and so is the stock clock.

Like I said...no issues, so no complaints, but I just prefer to have reference cards when possible, so I was a little pissed to find out it wasn't.
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Isn't msi hawk with the twin frozer on it a non reference card?

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Yes MSI Hawk is non reference.

There is no argument Beregond. It's a conversation about what is or isn't Reference. I've got the same card you do and mine is Reference. Don't see why yours wouldn't be unless you can't fiddle with the voltage. Clocks don't make it Reference unless you can overvolt it to allow higher Clocks.

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Well you can over volt the hawk with afterburner when doing an overclock. So that does not fit the "if you can adjust voltage its reference and if you can't its not" theory.
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