Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › First Time Watercooler! Installing tomorrow.. last minute questions
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

First Time Watercooler! Installing tomorrow.. last minute questions - Page 4

post #31 of 51
oh god... you got 1/16" walled tygon tubing - tygon, being so flexible and soft, will just collapse in on itself if the walls are thick enough


before you even try to run that WC setup, i URGE you to get some 1/8" walled tubing, which i will personally suggest 1/2" ID x 3/4" OD Masterkleer tubing from www.mcmaster.com - it has a bend radius equal to that of tygon, and it WILL NEVER, EVER STAIN



edit: on your nvidia mounting backplate... you can take off the paper covering on the bottom of the lucite (its brown) (its hard to get off - might want to get it started with a razor blade)

edit #2: may i ask why you chose a PA160 radiator if you're going to be using a Delta screamer on it? just wondering...
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2x Intel Xeon 5420 2.5 GHz @ 3.00 GHz (400x7.5) Intel D5400XS Skulltrail MSI Radeon HD4870 1GB 8GB (4x2GB) A-Data DDR2-800 FB-DIMM ECC 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
2x WD VelociRaptor 150GB+2x WD Caviar Black 500GB 2x Black Samsung DVD-RW Windows 7 Ultimate 3x Samsung SycnMaster 940BF 19" 2ms LCD's 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Saitek Eclipse II Corsair Professional Series AX850 Lian Li PC-75B Logitech MX518 
Mouse Pad
19x13" Office Depot Desk Pad 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2x Intel Xeon 5420 2.5 GHz @ 3.00 GHz (400x7.5) Intel D5400XS Skulltrail MSI Radeon HD4870 1GB 8GB (4x2GB) A-Data DDR2-800 FB-DIMM ECC 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
2x WD VelociRaptor 150GB+2x WD Caviar Black 500GB 2x Black Samsung DVD-RW Windows 7 Ultimate 3x Samsung SycnMaster 940BF 19" 2ms LCD's 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Saitek Eclipse II Corsair Professional Series AX850 Lian Li PC-75B Logitech MX518 
Mouse Pad
19x13" Office Depot Desk Pad 
  hide details  
Reply
post #32 of 51
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by diehrd
Try switching thw hoses..It looks to me like you have the intake comming from the video card and the out let going up somewhere..If so it appears like the pump is trying to suck its supply ..
no the suction is coming from the hose on teh left - the pump sucks from the left and blows through the top - the flow is right -

think they sent me the 5/8" OD 1/2" ID tygon instead.. of the 3/4"od 1/2" tygon - it doesnt have a thick enough wall - its tooo flexible and the powerful pump just sucks it flat...

I ordered some thicker stuff - will try with that -

booted into windows tho - temps are great suprisingly..
at 1.49 volts - running super Pi on load - at 29 degrees celsius - was around 42 with the xp-120 and air - so im happy :0

if i can solve this tube flattening problem i should drop maybe another 3-5 hopefully.

thanks for all that helped.
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardOSMonitor
Opteron 148 (CABNE 0528) DFI Lanparty Sli Nf4 DR Win Xp Pro Sp2 Samsung 930-BF (4ms 19") 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 Seasonic 600 W Sli/ATX ThermalTake Blk Armour Logitech G5 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardOSMonitor
Opteron 148 (CABNE 0528) DFI Lanparty Sli Nf4 DR Win Xp Pro Sp2 Samsung 930-BF (4ms 19") 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 Seasonic 600 W Sli/ATX ThermalTake Blk Armour Logitech G5 
  hide details  
Reply
post #33 of 51
Yeah you need to fix that whatever it is, That tubing must be really soft to do that without something restricting it.
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E8400@4.0 DFI Blood Iron EVGA 9600GT 8 Gigs Gskill pc6400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Maxtor Diamond Max Windows7 Pro Acer AL2016W yes 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
OCZ 500w SXS Ultra Aluminus yes yes 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E8400@4.0 DFI Blood Iron EVGA 9600GT 8 Gigs Gskill pc6400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Maxtor Diamond Max Windows7 Pro Acer AL2016W yes 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
OCZ 500w SXS Ultra Aluminus yes yes 
  hide details  
Reply
post #34 of 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by diehrd
Try switching thw hoses..It looks to me like you have the intake comming from the video card and the out let going up somewhere..If so it appears like the pump is trying to suck its supply ..
Quote:
Originally Posted by sauronrx
no the suction is coming from the hose on teh left - the pump sucks from the left and blows through the top - the flow is right -
Yeah, "the suction is coming from the hose on the left" which is coming from the the video card..
Thicker walled hose will probably work out better for you, I'm still of the mind that it would be better sucking from the the rad or res. But to each his own.

Maybe I will have to get into water cooling and test out some principles.
OpterOWN
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Opteron 165 CCBBE 0610DPMW Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe EVGA 7900GT 2GB OCZ EL Platinum 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
36Gb Raptor Raid-0, 200Gb Maxtor Xp Home 19" Flat screen CRT Saitek Eclipse 
PowerCaseMouse
OCZ Powerstream 520w Super Flower, with extension Some MS Optical 
  hide details  
Reply
OpterOWN
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Opteron 165 CCBBE 0610DPMW Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe EVGA 7900GT 2GB OCZ EL Platinum 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
36Gb Raptor Raid-0, 200Gb Maxtor Xp Home 19" Flat screen CRT Saitek Eclipse 
PowerCaseMouse
OCZ Powerstream 520w Super Flower, with extension Some MS Optical 
  hide details  
Reply
post #35 of 51
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by this_barb
Wouldn't it be ideal to pump it from the CPU to the rad, then to the GPU?
then you would be pumping warm water from the gpu and the pump to the cpu -

most opine that cooling the water after it goes to cpu, gpu and pump (pumps put heat in the water too)- so cooling the water in the radiator before you push it to the cpu and gpu has had the best results in most setups. I am going to switch it around tomorrow when the stronger tubing arrives.
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardOSMonitor
Opteron 148 (CABNE 0528) DFI Lanparty Sli Nf4 DR Win Xp Pro Sp2 Samsung 930-BF (4ms 19") 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 Seasonic 600 W Sli/ATX ThermalTake Blk Armour Logitech G5 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardOSMonitor
Opteron 148 (CABNE 0528) DFI Lanparty Sli Nf4 DR Win Xp Pro Sp2 Samsung 930-BF (4ms 19") 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 Seasonic 600 W Sli/ATX ThermalTake Blk Armour Logitech G5 
  hide details  
Reply
post #36 of 51
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonMango
oh god... you got 1/16" walled tygon tubing - tygon, being so flexible and soft, will just collapse in on itself if the walls are thick enough
ya i thought i had ordered the thick stuff

Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonMango
edit: on your nvidia mounting backplate... you can take off the paper covering on the bottom of the lucite (its brown) (its hard to get off - might want to get it started with a razor blade)
hey thanks lol i dont think it will harm anything being on - lol

Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonMango
edit #2: may i ask why you chose a PA160 radiator if you're going to be using a Delta screamer on it? just wondering...
i chose the pa160 because it sounded like the best option for a single 120 mm fan radiator that i could fit into the front of my computer case...

I am using the delta fan because thats what i was air cooling with - Do you want to use just a low CFM fan? how much CFM do you need? I have it on a fan controller running on low setting - hard to hear - and i think it still provides a good aount of air flow - I booted into windows last night to see what temps were -

at idle CPu was 26 Celsius(even with flat tube!) in super pi 32m (it jumped to 29-31 Celsius - so thats about 10 degrees better than my air setup. Im pretty happy considering the tube problems im having.

What fan would you recommend I use with that radiator? I orderd a 3 fin Delta to test out, and a high speed panaflo to try.. I have a bout 2 other deltas here to play with too lol

thanks for all the help -

**also I ordered some 1/2" OD 3/4" OD Clearflex 60 - that someone prior to you had recommended - I am going to install that tomorrow - and see if it does the same thing, if it does I will go with your recommendation and try that.
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardOSMonitor
Opteron 148 (CABNE 0528) DFI Lanparty Sli Nf4 DR Win Xp Pro Sp2 Samsung 930-BF (4ms 19") 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 Seasonic 600 W Sli/ATX ThermalTake Blk Armour Logitech G5 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardOSMonitor
Opteron 148 (CABNE 0528) DFI Lanparty Sli Nf4 DR Win Xp Pro Sp2 Samsung 930-BF (4ms 19") 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 Seasonic 600 W Sli/ATX ThermalTake Blk Armour Logitech G5 
  hide details  
Reply
post #37 of 51
Still a debate over what cools better..

You need to set that system up So a RES or the RAD brings the supply to the pump because you are causing the pump to work its arse off to get water which is causing the TUBE to suck closed.

And I can not say it enough..HOW you set the order of parts HAS Zero measurable impact in cooling Because it is in continous flow...It is not like an auto cooling system where water is stopped to collect and release heat..A continous flow has 2 factors that are used to calculte its performance..Amount of heat absorbed as a total number in watts.And amount of heat disipated by radiator.

So to make life easier set the tubing up so you have the best supply for pump and the tubing has the least mount of bends as well as the shortest length possible..

Any one who thinks the rad should be first PLEASE read this link..
http://www.overclockers.com.au/wiki/...ithin_the_loop
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
1055T @ 3808 ( 272x14) MSI 890CXM-G65 HD5770 8 gigs Crucial 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Kingston SSD 64g XP Pro Viewsonic 19 inch Lcd Memorex 
PowerMouse
ThermalTake 850 Modular Logitech 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
1055T @ 3808 ( 272x14) MSI 890CXM-G65 HD5770 8 gigs Crucial 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Kingston SSD 64g XP Pro Viewsonic 19 inch Lcd Memorex 
PowerMouse
ThermalTake 850 Modular Logitech 
  hide details  
Reply
post #38 of 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by diehrd
You need to set that system up So a RES or the RAD brings the supply to the pump because you are causing the pump to work its arse off to get water which is causing the TUBE to suck closed.
This is what i said was causing the "tube" to "flatten".
I agree with diehrd, the order of components doesn't affect the cooling a noticeable amount, it does however affect the ease of system operation so to speak.
Quote:
Originally Posted by diehrd
...It is not like an auto cooling system where water is stopped to collect and release heat..
I disagree with this because coolant isn't stopped to collect and release heat (ever taken the cap off an auto radiator while it is running at normal operating temps? It clearly is flowing from the top to the bottom.) All radiators work the same, auto/computer, big/small. Coolant comes in and flows through. What matters, is the pump being able to draw from the less restrictive lower pressure supply of coolant in the radiator and thus is easier for the pump to....pump!
OpterOWN
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Opteron 165 CCBBE 0610DPMW Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe EVGA 7900GT 2GB OCZ EL Platinum 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
36Gb Raptor Raid-0, 200Gb Maxtor Xp Home 19" Flat screen CRT Saitek Eclipse 
PowerCaseMouse
OCZ Powerstream 520w Super Flower, with extension Some MS Optical 
  hide details  
Reply
OpterOWN
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Opteron 165 CCBBE 0610DPMW Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe EVGA 7900GT 2GB OCZ EL Platinum 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
36Gb Raptor Raid-0, 200Gb Maxtor Xp Home 19" Flat screen CRT Saitek Eclipse 
PowerCaseMouse
OCZ Powerstream 520w Super Flower, with extension Some MS Optical 
  hide details  
Reply
post #39 of 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mastacator
This is what i said was causing the "tube" to "flatten".
I agree with diehrd, the order of components doesn't affect the cooling a noticeable amount, it does however affect the ease of system operation so to speak.

I disagree with this because coolant isn't stopped to collect and release heat (ever taken the cap off an auto radiator while it is running at normal operating temps? It clearly is flowing from the top to the bottom.) All radiators work the same, auto/computer, big/small. Coolant comes in and flows through. What matters, is the pump being able to draw from the less restrictive lower pressure supply of coolant in the radiator and thus is easier for the pump to....pump!
You forget most cooling systems (automotive) utilise a thermostat of some description to control the system pressure and flow.
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3700+Sandiego KACAE DFI LP UT nF4 SLI-D 2 x eVGA6600GT 256Mb 2x512Mb TCCD 
Hard DriveOSKeyboardPower
WD 80Gb SATAII XP Puss Pro Logiteck Multimedia Enermax Noisetaker 485W 
CaseMouse
XG Quantum - modified Logitech MX518 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3700+Sandiego KACAE DFI LP UT nF4 SLI-D 2 x eVGA6600GT 256Mb 2x512Mb TCCD 
Hard DriveOSKeyboardPower
WD 80Gb SATAII XP Puss Pro Logiteck Multimedia Enermax Noisetaker 485W 
CaseMouse
XG Quantum - modified Logitech MX518 
  hide details  
Reply
post #40 of 51
Thread Starter 
When i get the stronger hose in - I will try it first in my current setup - and boot into windows and measure temps during idle and load (super Pi, OCCT)

then I will try Pump - Blowing to CPU - then T-Line - Then Gpu - then radiator - then to sucking end of Pump.

Will boot into windows - and measure temps during idle and load again.

I doubt it will change things - really I am just following the guides posted here, and in extreme Overclocking, that say pump should blow to radiator then cpu-then tline -then gpu then back to pump.

I dont have any experience except the past 2 days with watercooling - so i do appreciate all your opinions.

I understand why its kinking - witha stronger walled tube - it should suck the water through the system well - it appears that the suction is the more powerful end of the pump - while the blow is indirectly related to the suction - the blowing end doesnt seem to blow water as strongly as the pump is sucking.
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardOSMonitor
Opteron 148 (CABNE 0528) DFI Lanparty Sli Nf4 DR Win Xp Pro Sp2 Samsung 930-BF (4ms 19") 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 Seasonic 600 W Sli/ATX ThermalTake Blk Armour Logitech G5 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardOSMonitor
Opteron 148 (CABNE 0528) DFI Lanparty Sli Nf4 DR Win Xp Pro Sp2 Samsung 930-BF (4ms 19") 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 Seasonic 600 W Sli/ATX ThermalTake Blk Armour Logitech G5 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Water Cooling
Overclock.net › Forums › Cooling › Water Cooling › First Time Watercooler! Installing tomorrow.. last minute questions