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^^^ IIRC the max temp for Athlons is higher than the Phenoms, denebs in particular. I'm pretty sure the max temp for Athlons is something like 75°C, but regardless of this he still needs to do something about the temps.
Most athlons are Denebs just with the L3 cut out.
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It really only gets that hot when pushed with Prime95 other than that they rarely cross 70c. I'm not saying that pushing it to over 80c is in anyway good for it. It's just that it can and will do it without hitting thermal shutdown. AMD might be throwing out a low thermal max number to keep warranty returns low.
Motherboard manufacturers get far more info on processor internals and operational constraints than we lowly peon users get and they're not talking.
I did however notice that on my motherboard there is NO setting for a max thermal shutdown temp and that even at 83c (the hottest it got btw) the MSI system monitor and bios software (called Control Center) only gave a yellow warning text in the temp readout and that that yellow warning text did not appear until it was over 76c. I'm not trying to turn this into another mini max temp thread just that those are my guess's and observations in this case.

Oh and I do plan on doing something about the temps. I don't like running them that high there are two things I can do. Throttle it back to 3.0Ghz (hey it still ran Bioshock Infinite on Ultra at that speed). And two get a liquid cooling system sometime soon.

I'd also like to mention that I have had it running at 4.05Ghz at the same voltage level but did not try prime95 at that time. So I cannot say that it was stable at that speed as it was at 3.825Ghz. I have noticed however that running it at 3.75Ghz is the best as far as keeping other aspects as close to stock as possible. All the multipliers work out at multiples of a 250 ref clock to keep HT, NB and memory speeds close to the stock level.

Why yes I am having fun with this. Haven't been able to have this much fun with overclocking since I cut and reconnected the exposed traces on an old Athlon 32 bit processor.
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Most athlons are Denebs just with the L3 cut out.


Now that's just incorrect tongue.gif


Most of the Athlon's these days use their own die (Propus, Rana, Regor). Only the first Athlon II processors used the deneb die, these are the ones where the serial number starts with AC . The deneb based Athlons are by far in the minority. wink.gif


Also I just looked up the maximum temperature for an Athlon II and it's actually 71C
     
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Most athlons are Denebs just with the L3 cut out.


Now that's just incorrect tongue.gif


Most of the Athlon's these days use their own die (Propus, Rana, Regor). Only the first Athlon II processors used the deneb die, these are the ones where the serial number starts with AC . The deneb based Athlons are by far in the minority. wink.gif


Also I just looked up the maximum temperature for an Athlon II and it's actually 71C
That's not what I meant.biggrin.gif Sorry I didnt elaborate typical of me.rolleyes.gif What I mean is propus is a basically a Deneb without the L3. Takee a look.
Here is Deneb on the right and Propus on the left. If you look at the top 2/3 of Deneb next to Propus you can see that they are very similar, The bottom 1/3 of Deneb is all L3 cache.


As for the max temp I was just taking a guess based on my Phenom as my Athlon died many months ago.sad-smiley-002.gif
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That's not what I meant.biggrin.gif Sorry I didnt elaborate typical of me.rolleyes.gif What I mean is propus is a basically a Deneb without the L3. Takee a look.
Here is Deneb on the right and Propus on the left. If you look at the top 2/3 of Deneb next to Propus you can see that they are very similar, The bottom 1/3 of Deneb is all L3 cache. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

As for the max temp I was just taking a guess based on my Phenom as my Athlon died many months ago.sad-smiley-002.gif

I see what you mean now tongue.gif Both dies do have a lot in common.

How did your Athlon die? I still need to find a good use for my Athlon, it has only been used for a bit of benching since getting an i5 frown.gif
     
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Well my Athlon was OC'd to 3.8 and man I loved this thing. At the time of death I was busy gaming. What happened next is typical in South Africa. The power went out briefly. As the power came back on the smell of burnt circuitry and death emanated from my pc. The power surged and killed my mobo and processor and power supply.
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Well my Athlon was OC'd to 3.8 and man I loved this thing. At the time of death I was busy gaming. What happened next is typical in South Africa. The power went out briefly. As the power came back on the smell of burnt circuitry and death emanated from my pc. The power surged and killed my mobo and processor and power supply.
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It really only gets that hot when pushed with Prime95 other than that they rarely cross 70c. I'm not saying that pushing it to over 80c is in anyway good for it. It's just that it can and will do it without hitting thermal shutdown. AMD might be throwing out a low thermal max number to keep warranty returns low.
Motherboard manufacturers get far more info on processor internals and operational constraints than we lowly peon users get and they're not talking.
I did however notice that on my motherboard there is NO setting for a max thermal shutdown temp and that even at 83c (the hottest it got btw) the MSI system monitor and bios software (called Control Center) only gave a yellow warning text in the temp readout and that that yellow warning text did not appear until it was over 76c. I'm not trying to turn this into another mini max temp thread just that those are my guess's and observations in this case.

Oh and I do plan on doing something about the temps. I don't like running them that high there are two things I can do. Throttle it back to 3.0Ghz (hey it still ran Bioshock Infinite on Ultra at that speed). And two get a liquid cooling system sometime soon.

I'd also like to mention that I have had it running at 4.05Ghz at the same voltage level but did not try prime95 at that time. So I cannot say that it was stable at that speed as it was at 3.825Ghz. I have noticed however that running it at 3.75Ghz is the best as far as keeping other aspects as close to stock as possible. All the multipliers work out at multiples of a 250 ref clock to keep HT, NB and memory speeds close to the stock level.

Why yes I am having fun with this. Haven't been able to have this much fun with overclocking since I cut and reconnected the exposed traces on an old Athlon 32 bit processor.
Well I use control center 2 and it is great for setting the fan speed curve. The problem with control center is when it is telling you your cpu temp it is actually telling you the CPU case temp not the core temp. The problem with that is when companies like AMD state max temp that is max CORE temp. Case temp is usually 5-10C lower than CORE temp. My phenom 2 core temp is roughly 7C hotter than case temp. I would recommend getting a new cooler just to be safe.
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It really only gets that hot when pushed with Prime95 other than that they rarely cross 70c. I'm not saying that pushing it to over 80c is in anyway good for it. It's just that it can and will do it without hitting thermal shutdown. AMD might be throwing out a low thermal max number to keep warranty returns low.
Motherboard manufacturers get far more info on processor internals and operational constraints than we lowly peon users get and they're not talking.
I did however notice that on my motherboard there is NO setting for a max thermal shutdown temp and that even at 83c (the hottest it got btw) the MSI system monitor and bios software (called Control Center) only gave a yellow warning text in the temp readout and that that yellow warning text did not appear until it was over 76c. I'm not trying to turn this into another mini max temp thread just that those are my guess's and observations in this case.

Oh and I do plan on doing something about the temps. I don't like running them that high there are two things I can do. Throttle it back to 3.0Ghz (hey it still ran Bioshock Infinite on Ultra at that speed). And two get a liquid cooling system sometime soon.

I'd also like to mention that I have had it running at 4.05Ghz at the same voltage level but did not try prime95 at that time. So I cannot say that it was stable at that speed as it was at 3.825Ghz. I have noticed however that running it at 3.75Ghz is the best as far as keeping other aspects as close to stock as possible. All the multipliers work out at multiples of a 250 ref clock to keep HT, NB and memory speeds close to the stock level.

Why yes I am having fun with this. Haven't been able to have this much fun with overclocking since I cut and reconnected the exposed traces on an old Athlon 32 bit processor.
Well I use control center 2 and it is great for setting the fam speed curve. The problem with control center is when it is telling you your cpu temp it is actually telling you the CPU case temp not the core temp. The problem with that is when companies like AMD state max temp that is max CORE temp. Case temp is usually 5-10C lower than CORE temp. My phenom 2 core temp is roughly 7C hotter than case temp. I would recommend getting a new cooler just to be safe.
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Sorry double post from my mobile. I would recommend using HW monitor for your temps.
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