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I think the wider the fan blades, the more pressure they create? I'm not sure how it is actually calculated, but I do believe that you can kind of "eyeball" it. If you have two fans of equal speed and rated CFM, you can assume the one with less space between the blades would have better static pressure? Correct me if I'm wrong.
More blades typically mean better pressure. not sure about the width but either feature would decrease the gap between blades so it's probably valid as well.

Sometimes static pressure can be hard to locate - have had to finally find a product data sheet on some to get that info. Not really something they test for in fan round ups(that i have seen) either. Typically though, unless developed to meet a unique demand(see Silverstone AP series), the higher priced fans have more pressure....usually...

The H50 has a notoriously thin radiator so I wouldn't kill myself trying to find the best static pressure fan for it - well designed fans shouldn't have too much trouble....H70 might be worth doing a little more research.

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Question for you guys.... is it bad to mix fans for your h50 push pull? I ordered a high static pressure fan for the push part but still have the stock fan for the pull and dont see a change in temps
I've heard a lot of different theories. One of which claims that the push fan should be the cheaper or lower rpm fan if mixing fans. Personally I don't think it's good to mix fans if you can help it as it has the potential to cause the RPM of both fans to get a little wonky.....probably not going to see a big difference in actual temperatures but I'd rather not put extra stress on my $20+ fans xD
Edited by slimbrady - 8/30/10 at 12:52am
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I got an H-70 from Microcenter a few days ago ($109) to replace my H-50 in my desktop PC. Installation was very simple as the back plate and the retention ring are exactly the same for both coolers. Temps went down about 12-15 degrees; I consider that a great improvement. Now I am going to put my H-50 in my HTPC and add an extra fan to it since I believe a significant part of the improvement over the H-50 is due to the two fan configuration. IMHO, the addition of a second fan is far more likely to make an improvement than simply trying to find the "best" single fan.

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Okay. Guys, you want the weaker fan as your Pull fan. The stronger as your Push fan. The reason being that the push fan will set the speed of the Pull fan. If you set them the other way round then you will have the wonky outcome.

Also the reason that you wouldn't notice the difference in temps when installing a "high static" fan is cause you probably aren't using a shroud between the Push and the Radiator and you are not using a high static fan in Pull.

It's kind of like mating a beanie prop with a standard prop on a bell. That little prop will spin alright but it's not going to do anything to get lift for the helicopter. Looks cool on a little kids head but has no benefits whatsoever.

Now I'm not going to get in a pissing match over "static" and if it is beneficial. there are lots of people who seem to believe it is. So I'll go with that. But if it was so beneficial there would be a definitive comparison showing which fans have it and which fans miss the mark.

All I know is that my fans keep my CPU a chilly 29-34c. That's in Push/Pull with a shroud. I don't know what their static specs are, nor do I care. I doubt that a high static fan would cool my CPU much more than what it gets now. And honestly is that not what's REALLY important? they work for me and I would recommend them to anyone that doesn't want to spend a lot on fans, but still wants reasonable performance from them.

Not out to pick a fight, just don't believe that static is the be all end all of the issue. Maybe when I have my full loop I'll be more concerned about it. But I know people who run Yates who do have a full loop. And they aren't afraid to spend money on their system seeing as how they have a $600 Mountain Mods Cabinet and run 18 Yate Loons. I believe they're all Yates anyway.

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I installed my Panaflo ultras, and i will give you my 2 cents worth, high static is much quieter that high cfm, these panalo's have close to the same cfm aas my slipstream's and when i had the slipstream in a push position it sounded like a hair dryer and i felt alot of air coming back out in the wrong direction, now that i have swapped to the high static panaflo's i get much less air pushed back off the radiator and it is a lot quieter. This is why i would assume the best sound quality fans are the Gt's because there high static for lower db's. i don't regret the panaflo's as i don't mind a little sound, but i def had to hook them up to a fan controller to reduce them to 40% for a reasonable sound level.

Re-re-re seated my H50, but due to 90 degree weather (32c) i was really getting some higher than i wanted results. but as it stands i run about 40 idle, and 67 at constant load. running 3.8Ghz with a 1.28 vcore. my qpi/vtt is at 1.355 (kinda high but this chip demanded it of me) rams running at 1800 9/9/9/24. so all in all a decent over clock for a nice stable running machine.
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I got an H-70 from Microcenter a few days ago ($109) to replace my H-50 in my desktop PC. Installation was very simple as the back plate and the retention ring are exactly the same for both coolers. Temps went down about 12-15 degrees; I consider that a great improvement. Now I am going to put my H-50 in my HTPC and add an extra fan to it since I believe a significant part of the improvement over the H-50 is due to the two fan configuration. IMHO, the addition of a second fan is far more likely to make an improvement than simply trying to find the "best" single fan.

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Well I'm glad to see you got the improvement you wanted to have, however adding a second fan to your H50 would have yielded similar results.

Most reviews I have read on the H70 is that it is hands down better than the H50 in it's original configuration but if you only add another fan to it the difference is only about 3-4c. Glad to see you will use that H50 for your other set-up, personnally, until I see better results or a significant improvement from people with the H70, I will not upgrade.
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Just thought I would post some pictures, unfortunately this is my old setup whic I just changed last week, hoping to get some new pictures soon.

I now have the setup as intake from the front 5.25 bay. Thight fit.

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looking very nice Probi.
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I got an H-70 from Microcenter a few days ago ($109) to replace my H-50 in my desktop PC. Installation was very simple as the back plate and the retention ring are exactly the same for both coolers. Temps went down about 12-15 degrees; I consider that a great improvement. Now I am going to put my H-50 in my HTPC and add an extra fan to it since I believe a significant part of the improvement over the H-50 is due to the two fan configuration. IMHO, the addition of a second fan is far more likely to make an improvement than simply trying to find the "best" single fan.

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Wow thats a pretty big increase. Most reviews I have seen showed a much smaller temp difference, lucky you.

I had my H50 in push pull but it didn't do much for temps. I think putting a shroud on the push fan will be more beneficial, I'll find out soon enough.
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looking very nice Probi.
Thanks, I'm going to try and take some picture of my new front intake setup. It is a tight fit in my CM690. Keeps it all nice and cool and all my fabs are at 60% so it's nice and quiet.
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Wow thats a pretty big increase. Most reviews I have seen showed a much smaller temp difference, lucky you.

I had my H50 in push pull but it didn't do much for temps. I think putting a shroud on the push fan will be more beneficial, I'll find out soon enough.
Like he said before, he only had the single fan on the H50, since the H70 comes with the two fans than he can really see the difference and it could also be the way it was seated before.

I know when I went from a single fan to two fans I dropped like 7-8c and then I added a shroud and I dropped another 2-3c and than I tried seating the pump until I was happy and when it was all done I had dropped a total of 17-18c from the stock intel under load.
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