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I can't get my head around as to why my setup is running hot.

overclocked to 4ghz at 1.45 volt

h50 with push pull config, I'm using shrouds from 2 old fans and made it into 1 and that's 50mm shroud mounted outside on the Push with fan and pull fan is right against the rad. air flow is INTAKE

Overclocked my cpu under fullload is mid 50 but if i cheat and get cold air sucking in through the window its 46.


i have 4 other fans in the case. I configured so air flow is going out the front of the case

2 CoolerMaster R4 on rad INTAKE
1 noctua p12 fan on top sucking in air INTAKE
1 gelid wing 12 blowing air out at the bottom of the case EXHAUST
1 noctua p14 fan blowing out air at the front bottom EXHAUST
1 gelid wing 12 blowing out the front mid EXHAUST
1 240mm fan on the case door INTAKE

for GPU it exhaust air into the case with aftermarket cooler, arctic cooling accelero twinturbo pro

is h50 not enough to cool 4ghz?

should I try reservoir method to see where that goes?

had h50 for about 2 months at most, all fins are clean in the rad,
h50 can for sure and certain keep your cpu cool at 4ghz , im running mine on 4.2ghz without a hassle .. full load doesnt see over 75c =) and thats with hyperthreading and turbo enabled. Is your pump working at 100% same with your fans ? is the pump seated correctly ? maybe try some arctic 5 thermal paste and give your cpu and waterblock a bit of a sand down to get a nice flat smooth surface .

Im not sure with amd's though ... only amd i ever owned was a k8 , never again ..

When i first got my h50 i was kind of dissapointed , thats until i changed a few things to the way they should be and now i wouldnt replace it for anything .
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hmm.

I honestly don't know the significance of ampere in fan

but from this test/chart seems like r4 has better static pressure to cfm

Hmmph, well I won't get into the validity of some of these "comparison charts" but even to claim those numbers they must be somewhat close. Surprising to me that no one brought this up a few months back when you had to put $10,000 down to get a GTAP15 from anywhere, lol.
I like the 32mm+ fans better...about triple the numbers on that chart but of course with a correlated rise in DB(I could care less but this is dealbreaker for most). Not using delta's or anything quite that crazy just 32mm Ultra Kaze 3k's with double shrouds(33mm-ish). They are definitely the loudest fans in my case but they move a pretty massive amount of air directly into the intake side of my rear exhaust fan and woe to any air flows attempting to overpower them. =)
I've spent a long time wasting money and time researching and testing different fans and in alllllllll my tests, there is maybe a 10c difference in the worst to the best I've tried....

I have finally decided to be content on the fan portion(at least until I get wind of some new models that are actually effectively innovating/revolutionizing the air moving device market, heh.) and just accept I'm not going to get much higher than 4.1 with my chip unless it decides to get cold in San Diego >.<

I could countersink 3 deltas and wire/configure them in series and add 3 more to pull with shrouds all around but I'm still going to be bottle necked by this damn.....mildly warm.....perfect....weather..
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I can't get my head around as to why my setup is running hot.

overclocked to 4ghz at 1.45 volt

h50 with push pull config, I'm using shrouds from 2 old fans and made it into 1 and that's 50mm shroud mounted outside on the Push with fan and pull fan is right against the rad. air flow is INTAKE

Overclocked my cpu under fullload is mid 50 but if i cheat and get cold air sucking in through the window its 46.


i have 4 other fans in the case. I configured so air flow is going out the front of the case

2 CoolerMaster R4 on rad INTAKE
1 noctua p12 fan on top sucking in air INTAKE
1 gelid wing 12 blowing air out at the bottom of the case EXHAUST
1 noctua p14 fan blowing out air at the front bottom EXHAUST
1 gelid wing 12 blowing out the front mid EXHAUST
1 240mm fan on the case door INTAKE

for GPU it exhaust air into the case with aftermarket cooler, arctic cooling accelero twinturbo pro

is h50 not enough to cool 4ghz?

should I try reservoir method to see where that goes?

had h50 for about 2 months at most, all fins are clean in the rad,
Mid 50 as in 55C is just fine for your CPU I wouldn't want to go over 55C if you run your PC 24/7 doing something like folding but if you don't run it 24/7 folding or something that actually keeps it at full load you really shouldn't worry at having anything that is 63C or under.

I run mine 24/7 at times under full load so for me to not worry mine has to stay at 55C or under but very few people do this.

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hmm.

I honestly don't know the significance of ampere in fan

but from this test/chart seems like r4 has better static pressure to cfm
You are correct an CM R4 vs a Scythe GentleTyphoon AP-14 fan the R4 has more static pressure. That is why people here using SGT fans use AP-15 fans.

D1225C12B4AP-14 1,450 rpm, 21 dBA, 85 m³/h

D1225C12B5AP-15 1,850 rpm, 28 dBA, 98 m³/h
Edited by Carfanatic - 11/15/10 at 5:34pm
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I can't get my head around as to why my setup is running hot.

overclocked to 4ghz at 1.45 volt

h50 with push pull config, I'm using shrouds from 2 old fans and made it into 1 and that's 50mm shroud mounted outside on the Push with fan and pull fan is right against the rad. air flow is INTAKE

Overclocked my cpu under fullload is mid 50 but if i cheat and get cold air sucking in through the window its 46.


i have 4 other fans in the case. I configured so air flow is going out the front of the case

2 CoolerMaster R4 on rad INTAKE
1 noctua p12 fan on top sucking in air INTAKE
1 gelid wing 12 blowing air out at the bottom of the case EXHAUST
1 noctua p14 fan blowing out air at the front bottom EXHAUST
1 gelid wing 12 blowing out the front mid EXHAUST
1 240mm fan on the case door INTAKE

for GPU it exhaust air into the case with aftermarket cooler, arctic cooling accelero twinturbo pro

is h50 not enough to cool 4ghz?

should I try reservoir method to see where that goes?

had h50 for about 2 months at most, all fins are clean in the rad,
After reading over this post again I do actually have a list of some actions you might take that could possibly get you a few degrees cooler than you're running now....not talking 10c-20c more like 1-6c diff max.

You've currently got your fans fighting physics; hot air rises naturally and can be harnessed as a free air mover if you allow it. So that means(this is what I would do if I was you but I'm an amateur physisist at best...which means if I happen to be in a physics lab, I really start to shine when somebody needs a beaker off a tall shelf, or a light switch toggled...few can equal my incredible prowess in these areas^^

Now that I put on my flame retardant jacket I'll continue....
Some of this will depend on the components you've got inside and whether they can be rearranged or just aren't in the way but this is what I ended up with after about 6 months of never ending tweaks and changes and testing and more testing, ending with what I consider to be the best I can do with what I have:
Mounted Rad in 5.25 bay directly across from my rear exhaust fan in front of case with hoses going underneath my Corsair Ram Fans and just over the top of my ram.(had also made it work with H50 hoses going around the fans and ram but when I switched to the shorter H70 hoses I could no longer quite reach comfortably unless I made them as straight as I could).

With regards to the rad and shrouds.... 33mm of shrouds on either side(using both of your shrouds on one side when the distance is getting over 40mm from fan to rad is not the best choice IMO. I hope you've got 100% confidence there's no air escaping through any possible cracks in that long of a tunnel but even still I would think a fan's static pressure surely weakens the farther it gets from the object it's supposed to be penetrating.
Your pull fan suffers(though not quite as much) from the dead spot just like your push fan so I think cutting them in half(maybe leave a slight bit more on the push side...hopefully giving you 32mm-37mm-ish distance from rad but certainly not 50mm+...I'd rather have 25mm on each side than 50mm on one side).

If you can manage to front mount the rad as an intake(it's going to be physically farther from your CPU which should help negate any negative side effects from blowing the radiator-warmed air into your case - especially if you can line it up with your rear(should now be exhaust) 120-140mm fan on the other side of the case.

Then if you've got the top fan exhausting the already rising warm air from the lower regions of your case(you said your GPU vents it's hot air inside and not out the back so you're probably fighting a great deal with the air inside) as well as helping dissipate the warmer air you're sending from the front(try to get the rad mounted as high as you can without messing up the flow path to the rear exhaust fan because the higher it is the more that top fan is going to do for case temperature.

Finally, your bottom fan(with a decent filter and judicious cleaning of said filter) should be blowing UP all that cool air sitting on your floor. Can get a couple degrees from that alone I would think....stand on top of your desk and feel your roof then lay down on the ground and feel the difference hehe....I just think you could really benefit from going with the nature of warm and cool air than trying to force it to bend to your will

anyway that's just a few things and all I have time for right now but hope at least some of it can be of assistance.
Good luck man! keep us updated and of course if you stumble upon the missing link that can turn your cpu and rad into an air conditioner instead of a heater we better be the first to hear about it xDD


Carfanatic, bro let me know if I missed something.....am doing about 3 other things while typing and too much info to proof read more than once.
And if anybody has found a better system please don't be shy, I always go back and catch up here when I have time and I think I'll still forever be looking for ways I can improve or theories I haven't heard xD
Edited by slimbrady - 11/15/10 at 5:52pm
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Would kill for 50C full load....
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Carfanatic, bro let me know if I missed something.....am doing about 3 other things while typing and too much info to proof read more than once.
Looks good to me just keep with the natural air flow of your case to begin with is always the best way to setup your H50. The case manufacturers already put in the $$ to research what the best setup was so why would you go against it. Just because one component in your setup said it should be intake you don't want to mess up the whole thermal cooling of your case for that one component. Modern case design is almost always front/bottom/side intake; back and top exhaust and always this is a big one always intake more than you exhaust.

I have tried H50 intake in the back, exhaust in the back and finally switched to front intake and obviously since I have left it in front as intake that yielded the best results. I also added two shrouds both 25mm shrouds on on both fan. 50mm IMO is too much you shouldn't go over 35mm let alone way up to 50 your better off having 25mm on both fans.

The only other thing I would suggest is filters they save a ton of work in the long run. I use filters on all of my intakes and clean them weekly. Depending on the amount of dust/dirt you have flying around your house you might only have to do it monthly. I have one dog but my GF has another dog and two cats and won't let my dog eat any of her pets....so there is a lot of pet hair and dander that clogs the filters up quickly.

I use filters from http://www.demcifilter.com/ I suggest you figure out all of the filters you would need for your whole case/setup and place an order directly from them it is actually cheaper than going through other websites that sell Demci filters and through them you can order custom filters like me I have a 220 side fan so not a standard size fan.
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Would kill for 50C full load....
You don't have to kill for it just sell your I7 and board and buy an AMD CPU and board then Voila 50C full load temps or less low to mid 40's for me.
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Well you just know I meant 50C and keep my i7

About the shrouds:
http://martin.skinneelabs.com/Radiat...ng-Review.html

I think this articles says 25mm shroud with push and 38mm with pull, but given the small difference involved that 25mm is generally fine..... but see what you think it says .....
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Well you just know I meant 50C and keep my i7

I think this articles says 25mm shroud with push and 38mm with pull, but given the small difference involved that 25mm is generally fine..... but see what you think it says .....
It looks to me that by the research done here that 30mm seemed optimal for both push and pull so when combined it should remain the same. Other than the second graph he never mentions the size of the shroud again only fan sizes 25 or 38mm fans.

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I went by the lowest sectors of the curves. For pull that is past 30mm - about 34 to 43mm, and the spread on push looks to be 23 to 32. That was how I interpreted it.
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