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Yeah , i get where your coming from . But then i again i think i have spent thousands on the computer and i have spent alot of my time playing around with this h50 trying out fans , different thermal pastes and positions for the rad . Im not saying they are 100% accurate because they might not be , but under the current circumstances i cant see why it cant be true . If my comp was old and worn out id probably agree with you but the thing is only a few months old and iv taken pride in my computer i always do things properly and the outcome is a good result =) i think the h50 is capable of more than what people think , dont underestimate .. the h50 is an awsome cooler in the right hands =D
Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking your rig or your abilities at all. I'm just making some suggestions based on similar issues I've encountered or read about Unfortunately I was one of many that had high expectations of the H50 based on all the reviews before I purchased one myself and its seemed to fall short of my expectations. Your right though it is a very capable cooler for most overclockers when used properly.
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Well my thermometre is only a cheapie so it could be displaying the wrong temperature but only 1-2c off , if that . If its not under than it for sure and certain is ideling at ambient temps =) 3 different programs are telling me the same thing .. Real temp , core temp and cpuz hw monitor.. bios is saying im ideling at 19c also .

the facts dont lie , just because im ideling at ambients doesnt mean my sesnors are stuffed :s it means iv done a bloody good job putting this thing together
If you have faulty temp sensors then all programs and the bios are going to be wrong.

I am positive that you are not getting below ambient temps for real with any regular water or air cooled setup (no chilled water or any of that stuff). Somewhere, something is screwing up.

So anyways, if you really think you did such a good job installing a premade water cooling setup and magically defied physics then lets load up prime95 and see what the temp is for load. Just stand behind some thick glass when you turn it on because at this point we don't know whats going to happen.
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They are not facts, and they do lie. This topic has been covered many times in this thread. Idle temps are NOT accurate. That doesn't mean you haven't done a good job, it just means idle temps especially are not accurate, because of the way CPU temps are "measured".



http://www.anandtech.com/show/2468/4

Uncle Web, who wrote RealTemp has spoken about this SO many times:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...179044&page=10

A little bit of Google searching will soon tell you the same.
Yeah i know i read about it when u posted the link last time , so if its innacurate for me , its inaccurate for everyone , me , you , him , her . Its a universal reading so we all have the same innacuracy.....

yet iv never seen anyone post up 17 degree celcius idle temps before . They might be innacurate but that is very , very low . Can you get 17c on idle ?

At 4.2Ghz i was ideling mid 30's why does it seem impossible to idle so low at default settings ?
    
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If you have faulty temp sensors then all programs and the bios are going to be wrong.

I am positive that you are not getting below ambient temps for real with any regular water or air cooled setup (no chilled water or any of that stuff). Somewhere, something is screwing up.

So anyways, if you really think you did such a good job installing a premade water cooling setup and magically defied physics then lets load up prime95 and see what the temp is for load. Just stand behind some thick glass when you turn it on because at this point we don't know whats going to happen.
Ok i may be wrong about ideling under , but its ideling at ambients . right now its 23c in here and its saying 23c idle .

5 cycles , small ftt .. If i had lower ambients i wuldnt go over 49c , its summer in aus .


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Those load temps are possible, still very good.

Even if you are AT ambient temps at idle... still seems too good for what your using. But hey, at least its actually possible... unlike below ambient.
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A couple of things that I noted about Core Temp vs. True Temp. I found that (at least on my Q6600 B3) that the TJMax was identified as 85* on Cire Temp, and 90* on True Temp. My research indicated that the TJMax for the Q6600 B3 was actually 90*, so I ended up having to adjust my offset in Core Temp to reflect the same readings I was getting in True Temp (the ACCURATE) app.

It might be possible that if a negative entry was in your core temp offset, you would end up with temps below ambient (impossible, otherwise). I would check the TJMax for your CPU, and ensure that it is refelected accurately in Core Temp, and if not adjust it up or down to the correct threshold.

As far as my H70's go: I used a razor blade to shave my TIM off, and then used 99% isopropyl to remove any residue. I then lapped it to a mirror shine

It wasn't easy to lap it, given the radiator being attached, but here is what I did:
1) I used a fairly large sheet of glass as my base. I had an old mirror that was sufficient size, so I used that (it was about 24"x24").

2) I started with 800 grit wet/dry automotive sandpaper, and laid it down on the glass. I place a towel over half of the mirror, and ensured that the radiator was well cushioned by it. I poured some water and JUST A DROP of liquid dishsoap onto the sandpaper, and then sanded in a figure 8 pattern for about a 30 seconds to a minute, just to get rid of the burrs. I had to add a little water every little while, to esure that it kept sliding with only a slight amount of resistance. You have to be very careful to keep the HS flat against the surface, since any angled pressure will result in the edge of the HS tearing the paper (even moreso 'cuz its wet)
3) I progressed to 1000 grit, and followed the same process for about 2 minutes...maybe less.
4) I moved to 2000 grit for about the same amount of time, looking at it every now and then, to ensure it was a nice, even finish. You will not get a complete mirror finish this way, but it will actually be fairly reflective, and all you will see at the end of this is a sort of satin shine.
5) I then used some brasso to buff and polish it to a mirror reflective shine. It literally looked like a mirror, without any refraction or distortion...absolutely gorgeous! The toughest part from that point was ensuring that every little bit of polish was removed from the HS surface. It took quite a bit of elbow grease and a lot of clean, lint free white cloths. Only after I was absolutely certain that no more polish remained (no black/discoloration of the cloths..at which point, I continued doing it for about the same length of time again...) did I being the process of installing it.
6) I have read all kinds of different views on the application of TIM, and I have played with pretty much all of them, including the "BB sized" drop in the center of round HS surfaces, but after inspecting the results, I decided to go back to my method. I used a "larger" BB sized drop of AS5 in the center, and then spread it around to cover the entire surface in an even, REALLY thin layer, using another razor blade like a dry-wall trowl. That one dollop managed to cover the entire surface, and even had a substantial amount left over on the blade when I was done.

I dunno what your guy's take on this whole process is, but I am/was happy with the result..

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Those load temps are possible, still very good.

Even if you are AT ambient temps at idle... still seems too good for what your using. But hey, at least its actually possible... unlike below ambient.
Of coarse the load temps are possible but low for an i7 from my knowledge , and yes u are right about it actually being possible to idle at ambient temps which is true , as for under ambient i might have been wrong .. My thermometre read 20c idle was 17c .. so that means either could be wrong , im leaning more towards the thermometre cos it only cost $2

My offsets in coretemp are 0-0-0-0 , default .. is that ok ?

haha nice avatar btw
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dont you have a thermal paste remover?
if you dont then just a couple drops of alcohol and wipe it off with a tissue
add a couple more drops if needed until you completely remove it
I don't have any remover, but I do have isopropyl alcohol.
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Of coarse the load temps are possible but low for an i7 from my knowledge , and yes u are right about it actually being possible to idle at ambient temps which is true , as for under ambient i might have been wrong .. My thermometre read 20c idle was 17c .. so that means either could be wrong , im leaning more towards the thermometre cos it only cost $2

My offsets in coretemp are 0-0-0-0 , default .. is that ok ?

haha nice avatar btw
I've stated this before idle temps don't mean squat considering their inaccuracy. As for an h50 idling right at ambient temps that is quite a stretch. Even the most extreme full water cooling loops sometimes struggle to idle right at ambient temps. You have to consider that the temps inside your case are going to be at least a few degrees C above ambient temps so unless your H50 is mounted outside the case you will still be blowing above ambient air through the rad. I guess what I'm really trying to say is that it is very difficult to idle right at ambient temps regardless of what cooler you are using. Again idle temps don't mean squat but some people just love to brag about super low idle temps and just disregard that 95% of the time they are wrong lol.

I'm curious what your load temps are at your 4.2GHz oc? I'm sure they are drastically different than your current stock speed temps. I know my E8500 load temps are 10C hotter when I go from 4GHz up to 4.33GHz but even still my max P95 load temps at 4.33GHz top out at 60*C
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