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I've stated this before idle temps don't mean squat considering their inaccuracy. As for an h50 idling right at ambient temps that is quite a stretch. Even the most extreme full water cooling loops sometimes struggle to idle right at ambient temps. You have to consider that the temps inside your case are going to be at least a few degrees C above ambient temps so unless your H50 is mounted outside the case you will still be blowing above ambient air through the rad. I guess what I'm really trying to say is that it is very difficult to idle right at ambient temps regardless of what cooler you are using. Again idle temps don't mean squat but some people just love to brag about super low idle temps and just disregard that 95% of the time they are wrong lol.

I'm curious what your load temps are at your 4.2GHz oc? I'm sure they are drastically different than your current stock speed temps. I know my E8500 load temps are 10C hotter when I go from 4GHz up to 4.33GHz but even still my max P95 load temps at 4.33GHz top out at 60*C
Im only going from what my monitoring programs are telling me , and thats what i mean ... If my temps are wrong that means yours are wrong too and so are everyone elses that use a h50 then so it doesnt matter if its not accurate or not bcos we all have a guidline to follow and if thats the case my temps seem a little lower than that guideline if you know what i mean , im still ideling 80 from tjmax regardless of how innacurate the temps are ... Just cos it so low doesnt mean its wrong ? at 4.2Ghz i load 70-72c

4.33Ghz @ 60c is nice , but core 2 duos dont run hot like i7s anyway no where near.. so u cant compare really . My mate has his e8500 on 4.1ghz at those temps using a $50 heatsink.
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My H50 just arrived it shall be fitted tonight

This is the best excuse to clean my case and add some cable management
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]4.33Ghz @ 60c is nice , but core 2 duos dont run hot like i7s anyway no where near.. so u cant compare really . My mate has his e8500 on 4.1ghz at those temps using a $50 heatsink.
I know that of course but I'm not comparing I'm just making a point how much your temps will jump once you hit that certain oc where you need a bump in vcore. I ran 4GHz stable with stock vcore(1.25v) and my max P95 load temps were only in the high 40's but once I went over that 4GHz mark is when I saw a significant jump in load temps. I'm pretty happy with my oc and load temps so I have no reason to complain.
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Your temps closer to tj max are going to be more accurate than temps further away, and they are the temps worth worrying about. Showing 70c to 72c at 4.2 is very good.
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If my temps are wrong that means yours are wrong too and so are everyone elses that use a h50 then so it doesnt matter.
No unless someone is using the same exact motherboard and CPU/revision then no one persons readings are ever exactly the same even if they are using the same program.

Now if you and someone else have the same CPU and Revision and Motherboard,revision and bios then you should have the same temps/offset temps but not many here have the same exact setups.
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Ok , did as you suggested and the pump feels the same temp as my side panel . Pump is not warm at all . In reality though the pump is going to produce heat one way or another and it will always be just a tad warmer than ambient temps because its an electrical component with moving parts and due to the fact its inside the case not outside in ambient temps =)
Sorry I forgot you were using the H50 and not just an air cooler. Forget what I said.

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Yeah , i get where your coming from . But then i again i think i have spent thousands on the computer and i have spent alot of my time playing around with this h50 trying out fans , different thermal pastes and positions for the rad . Im not saying they are 100% accurate because they might not be , but under the current circumstances i cant see why it cant be true . If my comp was old and worn out id probably agree with you but the thing is only a few months old and iv taken pride in my computer i always do things properly and the outcome is a good result =) i think the h50 is capable of more than what people think , dont underestimate .. the h50 is an awsome cooler in the right hands =D
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Im only going from what my monitoring programs are telling me , and thats what i mean ... If my temps are wrong that means yours are wrong too and so are everyone elses that use a h50 then so it doesnt matter if its not accurate or not bcos we all have a guidline to follow and if thats the case my temps seem a little lower than that guideline if you know what i mean , im still ideling 80 from tjmax regardless of how innacurate the temps are ... Just cos it so low doesnt mean its wrong ? at 4.2Ghz i load 70-72c
This is really bad logic. Just because your temperature sensors (What do they use, anyway? Thermocouples?) are inaccurate doesn't mean everyone else's sensors are also inaccurate.
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"The characteristics of the Digital Thermal Sensor (DTS) vary from die to die and each processor DTS is factory calibrated. As a result, given the same TCONTROL setting, not all processors will be at the same silicon temperature when at TCONTROL. Acoustic performance will vary from part to part as a result of this DTS variability. This variability also impacts the number of DTS values that could be reported below TCONTROL. Because of the magnitude of the variation the TCONTROL value was increased. Increasing TCONTROL reduces the range of DTS variability and results in better acoustics. The DTS value is referred to as a DTS Count since one count does not necessarily equal one degree."

http://download.intel.com/design/intarch/PAPERS/322683.pdf



Since the introduction of multi-core chips we only get approximations. A probe can tell you surface temp, but all core temps would seem to be approximations.

A small additional point, but you cannot idle below ambient or at ambient without refrigeration, ln2 or dry ice. When you are cooling your cpu with something that is at room temperature (ambient) it is simply not possible to cool that little heat engine (cpu) to ambient or below.

AMD chips also often report idle temps below ambient. They are incorrect too.

You might think that picky, but that's the fact. It has been debated in this forum a few times. There is plenty of information on this subject on the web. Just do a Google search.
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Okkk snap of 15c idle temps..


48c max after half an hour of prime95...

Edited by Xristo - 12/16/10 at 10:25pm
    
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Very nice temps, I was getting 10C idle temps with my window open (4C cold air coming through) and 29C max load on my chip this morning.
    
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Okay I wandered over to the air cooling forum and found this guy:

Delta High Speed PWM Fan

(I think this one would be a bit ridiculous. )

Any thoughts or opinions on the delta pwm fan for what I want to do?
Edited by purduepilot - 12/16/10 at 11:07pm
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