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Hello,

After a good few weeks of trying to find a good air cooling solution I've decided that I actually like the H50/60/70 design much better. I'm still having trouble deciding what fans to get for it, most people recommend the gentle typhoons, but I'm going for a black and white look and have it narrowed down to two fans:

GELID slient 120mm

and

Fractal Design 120mm

Both seem to be about the same, and I'd prefer the FD's as they are quieter but I havent been able to find out what kind of static pressure they have. The blades are fairly wide and thick - optimistically i'm thinking it has the same mmH20 as the GELID's.

Thoughts? Say they both have 1.6mmh20... is that good enough for the H60/H50 rads?
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Originally Posted by grassh0ppa;12635164 
Hello,

After a good few weeks of trying to find a good air cooling solution I've decided that I actually like the H50/60/70 design much better. I'm still having trouble deciding what fans to get for it, most people recommend the gentle typhoons, but I'm going for a black and white look and have it narrowed down to two fans:

GELID slient 120mm

and

Fractal Design 120mm

Both seem to be about the same, and I'd prefer the FD's as they are quieter but I havent been able to find out what kind of static pressure they have. The blades are fairly wide and thick - optimistically i'm thinking it has the same mmH20 as the GELID's.

Thoughts? Say they both have 1.6mmh20... is that good enough for the H60/H50 rads?

Honestly I have found that cheap fans work REALLY well with the H50. I run Yate-Loon High Speed Silents in the Red Flavor. Kinda wished I'da gotten Yate-Loon Medium Speed silents cause the High Speed variety ain't that silent. Not bad just cannot dial them back to a reasonable level withouth sending my dual gang setup below 1200 rpm reported speed.

I got mine at Performance-PCs.com for a song. When you click on the Yate Loons they're pre-set for sleeving(weak sauce sleeving imho) @ $7 I think it was. Well you can set them to lack sleeving for -$3 which drops them to ~$4. My HSS fans dialed back to 80% keep my CPU a chilly 33c when browsing(Safari w/ 12 windows open) and less than that when idle.

This temp(34c at top left guage pod) was just after benching my RAM.cool.gif
MaxxMem2-1.jpg

The fans that come with the H Series are of Yate Loon variety so if you get the H70 I suggest finding a cheap fan to gut and make into a shroud to put in between the Pusher fan and the Radiator. You'll need 2.25" screws of the 6-32 variety as well if you run the typical 2.5" thick fans. And please do keep in mind my temps are a result of lapping my CPU and the overall ambient temp for where I live. Some people will have better or worse temps depending on these factors as well.teaching.gif

Oh and from what I gather, the smaller the gap between blades the better the Static Pressure for the fan. I'm not sure I myself believe it. I kind of liken it to the Rightie vs. Leftie matchup in Baseball. Some Managers swear by trotting out a Leftie lineup card to face a Right hander. While others just run what they brung. Some people get better temps than I do and run cheap fans some get worse temps and run "better" fans. I think a lot of it has to do with your setup, your locale and luck. The first two obviously matter more than the third factor but don't dismiss blind luck out of hand. biggrin.gif

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I agree with Above,I dont think those fans would be very beneficial to the H50.I personally would recommend checking into some of the mentioned yate loons,Scythe,R4's, etc etc those seem to do very well with the h50 rad and pretty silent.I run my R4 at 1700 Rpm and it is very quite and keeps it good and cool and plus they are not very expensive.


I would get something with at least a mid 2.5-3.0+ h20 rating and 1500+rpm but that is just my personal opinion


Edit,that Gelid looks like a pretty good fan,You could always try it and if you was not happy you can replace them as 120mm fans are very reasonable,plus Gelid makes nice products
Edited by ls1chris - 3/6/11 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by grassh0ppa;12635164 
Hello,

After a good few weeks of trying to find a good air cooling solution I've decided that I actually like the H50/60/70 design much better. I'm still having trouble deciding what fans to get for it, most people recommend the gentle typhoons, but I'm going for a black and white look and have it narrowed down to two fans:

GELID slient 120mm

and

Fractal Design 120mm

Both seem to be about the same, and I'd prefer the FD's as they are quieter but I havent been able to find out what kind of static pressure they have. The blades are fairly wide and thick - optimistically i'm thinking it has the same mmH20 as the GELID's.

Thoughts? Say they both have 1.6mmh20... is that good enough for the H60/H50 rads?

Personally, since the Gelids are 4 pin PWM I would go with them myself. I used Scythe PWM fans and a PWM splitter on my H70. This allows me to plug the fans into the CPU FAN header and let the main board control the RPMs. This makes it very quiet when idle and only louder when under load.

Certainly better than letting them run full tilt all the time. Of course, if you're going to use a fan controller on them then it shouldn't matter.

If you decide to go the PWM rout, make sure you use a splitter that provides the power to the fans from the PSU via 4pin molex, and not a splitter that pulls the power for the fans from the motherboard. This way you can use as hefty a fan as you like and it will draw it's power from the PSU.

Here's a good example of what to get:

http://usb.brando.com/pwm-fan-splitter-cable_p01520c046d015.html

If you're into building stuff yourself, here's a diagram:
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mergatroid;12636008 
Personally, since the Gelids are 4 pin PWM I would go with them myself. I used Scythe PWM fans and a PWM splitter on my H70. This allows me to plug the fans into the CPU FAN header and let the main board control the RPMs. This makes it very quiet when idle and only louder when under load.

Certainly better than letting them run full tilt all the time. Of course, if you're going to use a fan controller on them then it shouldn't matter.

If you decide to go the PWM rout, make sure you use a splitter that provides the power to the fans from the PSU via 4pin molex, and not a splitter that pulls the power for the fans from the motherboard. This way you can use as hefty a fan as you like and it will draw it's power from the PSU.

Here's a good example of what to get:

http://usb.brando.com/pwm-fan-splitter-cable_p01520c046d015.html

If you're into building stuff yourself, here's a diagram:

Back in the DDR2 days I would whole heartedly agree. However I do believe that you can run even simple 3pins on a MoBo w/o issue. All my fans are 3pin. In fact my CPU header is 4pin and the only reason there is one there is because my Splitter is of the 4 pin variety and both 3pin fans are plugged into the far Left of the connectors. Reports as a single entity unfortunately but my MoBo is handling them like a champ. Too bad not so with the 20cm Cooler Master fans on the Opt_2 header. Though I doubt it has anything to do with 3pin/4pin since the other two headers where that style of fan is plugged in at are reporting their speeds. It's just this one...typer.gif

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Originally Posted by Ceadderman;12636172 
Back in the DDR2 days I would whole heartedly agree. However I do believe that you can run even simple 3pins on a MoBo w/o issue. All my fans are 3pin. In fact my CPU header is 4pin and the only reason there is one there is because my Splitter is of the 4 pin variety and both 3pin fans are plugged into the far Left of the connectors. Reports as a single entity unfortunately but my MoBo is handling them like a champ. Too bad not so with the 20cm Cooler Master fans on the Opt_2 header. Though I doubt it has anything to do with 3pin/4pin since the other two headers where that style of fan is plugged in at are reporting their speeds. It's just this one...typer.gif

~Ceadder:drink:

Yes, you can run 3 pin fans on a motherboard. However, your motherboard may not control the RPMs of the 3 pin fans and may run them at 100% all the time.

This is not exactly a quiet solution (unless you skip plugging the fans into the motherboard and use a 3 pin fan controller).

The point is, if you want the RPMs of your fans controlled (which not everyone does) automatically, then PWM and a splitter is a great solution.

Edit: After a little added research I see that some newer motherboards can control the RPMs of 3 pin fans through voltage control. This seems a little odd to put voltage control on a motherboard when the PWM method is much more efficient, but if his board has this capability he may be able to use the 3 pin fans. Of course, if he wants to plug them into the CPU header, the PWM method may still be a better choice since it is not pulling the power to run the fans through the motherboard.

Just out of curiosity, what does this have to do with DDR2?
Edited by Mergatroid - 3/6/11 at 4:50pm
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Finally got pics of my H70 rig. Spent the better part of an hour lapping the water block. Not a perfect mirror finish; but still pretty shiny. Re-seated with IC Diamond TIM. Replaced the stock fans with Akasa Vipers, ganged with a 4-pin PWM molex-power splitter. Had to put one of the fans on the outside of the case, since it would otherwise stick out too far and interfere with the 250mm side panel fan on my Thermaltake Armor case. I also added a scavenged 120mm grill on the outside to keep cables and fingers out of the fan blades. The airflow is quite a lot better with the Vipers than it was with the stock fans.
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Finally got pics of my H70 rig. Spent the better part of an hour lapping the water block. Not a perfect mirror finish; but still pretty shiny. Re-seated with IC Diamond TIM. Replaced the stock fans with Akasa Vipers, ganged with a 4-pin PWM molex-power splitter. Had to put one of the fans on the outside of the case, since it would otherwise stick out too far and interfere with the 250mm side panel fan on my Thermaltake Armor case. I also added a scavenged 120mm grill on the outside to keep cables and fingers out of the fan blades. The airflow is quite a lot better with the Vipers than it was with the stock fans.

Wow, that's a fantastic job lapping the CPU block. It only took you an hour? That's amazing. Could you post what you did to get it that shiny in an hour? I wouldn't mind trying it myself.

I like the fans you picked. The yellow/black combo looks really sweet. Nice touch with the grill on the external fan.
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What are your temps now?
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Originally Posted by Mergatroid;12636227 
Yes, you can run 3 pin fans on a motherboard. However, your motherboard may not control the RPMs of the 3 pin fans and may run them at 100% all the time.

This is not exactly a quiet solution (unless you skip plugging the fans into the motherboard and use a 3 pin fan controller).

The point is, if you want the RPMs of your fans controlled (which not everyone does) automatically, then PWM and a splitter is a great solution.

Just out of curiosity, what does this have to do with DDR2?

Couldn't control your fans with a DDR2 board(at least none of the ones I've used) where my board now does control the speed of the fan. Granted it's a step down ramp up process using 10 based percentage starting at 25% but that's a pretty nice feature.

Can't wait to see what UEFI allows me to do when that Board Control takes over from BIOS.tongue.gif

@luchog... what's your temps? And if you don't mind me suggesting but drop the fan cooler on the RAM if you haven't already. Those things are pretty loud(dual 60s' in general) and as an added bonus they blow a lot of dust into your sticks and unoccupied slots. wink.gif

I don't know why they don't get the fan manufacturers to build reverse bladed fans to blow out instead of in. I mean the fans are supposed to aid in cooling, since when did piling on dust aid in cooling anything?wth.gif

~Ceadder:drink:
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HAF 932 Logitech g9x COOLER MASTER Weapon of Choice: M4 Duramesh Pad Logitech X-240 2.1 speakers 
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Sunbeam Rheosmart 3 Creative X-Fi 
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Yate Loon 120x20 (D12SM-12C) Medium Speed Silen... EK Supreme HF Classified EK Thermosphere GPU Block EK Thermosphere GPU Block 
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Win7 64 bit Ultimate OEM Asus VH222H Black HDMI Widescreen Logitech the OCZ went buhbye adios. Don't know ... Corsair CMPSU HX 850w Modular 
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HAF 932 Logitech g9x COOLER MASTER Weapon of Choice: M4 Duramesh Pad Logitech X-240 2.1 speakers 
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