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I'm using the 38s 'cos I have them. Had them for a couple of years. Just got tired of them sitting in the storage bin. smile.gif They hum a bit on low speed and there's the vibration or some sort of case resonance. Stupid aluminium case!

I'm not thinking of spending more on imported 25mm fans right now seeing as these guys are doing a really good job and have a ton of headroom. I'm stuck with Coolermaster, Zalman and things like that. Yate Loons will need to be imported. I have access to Sunon though. Cut a Yate Loon hi-speed out of my old (but working) spare Gigabyte PSU and it's doing duty @ 5V as top exhaust. It's a pretty smooth fan when turned down that low.

I do have gaskets in place. 3 on the intake side, but 1 on the exhaust fan against the case and I have some foam rubber tape in place where the radiator attaches. Not the best rubber, just picked it up at the hardware yesterday. It's for sealing doors, etc.

It might even just be the PWM they're getting as I'm not sure how SpeedFan does it.
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I'm using the 38s 'cos I have them. Had them for a couple of years. Just got tired of them sitting in the storage bin. smile.gif They hum a bit on low speed and there's the vibration or some sort of case resonance. Stupid aluminium case!

I'm not thinking of spending more on imported 25mm fans right now seeing as these guys are doing a really good job and have a ton of headroom. I'm stuck with Coolermaster, Zalman and things like that. Yate Loons will need to be imported. I have access to Sunon though. Cut a Yate Loon hi-speed out of my old (but working) spare Gigabyte PSU and it's doing duty @ 5V as top exhaust. It's a pretty smooth fan when turned down that low.

I do have gaskets in place. 3 on the intake side, but 1 on the exhaust fan against the case and I have some foam rubber tape in place where the radiator attaches. Not the best rubber, just picked it up at the hardware yesterday. It's for sealing doors, etc.

It might even just be the PWM they're getting as I'm not sure how SpeedFan does it.

Well then I would suggest the Cooler Master R4 if you can get them. It could be that those 38s' blast too much air and is causing cavitation which could lead to the vibration you're getting. thinking.gif

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ok quick question, does it really make a big difference running P/P on h100 vs push only?cuz im planning to grab 2 more GTs.
current temps in my set-up 30C idle,65C max temps prime test @ 1.4V. if i can benefit a 5C drops in temps that would be nice.
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ok quick question, does it really make a big difference running P/P on h100 vs push only?cuz im planning to grab 2 more GTs.
current temps in my set-up 30C idle,65C max temps prime test @ 1.4V. if i can benefit a 5C drops in temps that would be nice.

Depends on your ambient temp bro. 30c Idle is pretty good. I'm thinking your 2500k is running 10c less than reported under load given the Intel -10c rule. So 30c/55c is reasonable. You could still try it and I recommend getting the extra fans, what with Summer on its way.

But for comparisons sake, I run my lapped 955 at 30c Idle and 45c 100% Load. It's on a Cooler Master Hyper 212+ at the moment not running pull. I have the ability to, I just haven't done it cause I'm going with a full loop very soon. I know for a fact that P/P works very well because I ran it with my H50. But youjust have to keep in mind that while it may do nothing for you in Idle due to ambient temp, Load is where you should and will notice the savings. smile.gif

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Well then I would suggest the Cooler Master R4 if you can get them. It could be that those 38s' blast too much air and is causing cavitation which could lead to the vibration you're getting. thinking.gif
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Guess which Cooler Master I can't get here? tongue.gifsmile.gif

The 38s are running on a slow speed and it doesn't feel like more air than, say, the stock Corsair fan. I think the air into the 2nd fan is pretty turbulent having gone through the radiator and passing all sorts of edges. These fans also have a huge vacuum spot right behind their big hubs on low speed. I'm going to remove the 2nd fan from the equation quickly and see if the intake makes the same noise on its own. Not sure if cavitation and/or turbulence would come into play on intake.

Best is I get the stock fan or other one back in, but you know what, I think I'm a sucker or punishment right now because this issue has my interest.
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no modded h100 tube here?
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Well then I would suggest the Cooler Master R4 if you can get them. It could be that those 38s' blast too much air and is causing cavitation which could lead to the vibration you're getting. thinking.gif
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Guess which Cooler Master I can't get here? tongue.gifsmile.gif

The 38s are running on a slow speed and it doesn't feel like more air than, say, the stock Corsair fan. I think the air into the 2nd fan is pretty turbulent having gone through the radiator and passing all sorts of edges. These fans also have a huge vacuum spot right behind their big hubs on low speed. I'm going to remove the 2nd fan from the equation quickly and see if the intake makes the same noise on its own. Not sure if cavitation and/or turbulence would come into play on intake.

Best is I get the stock fan or other one back in, but you know what, I think I'm a sucker or punishment right now because this issue has my interest.

Man that sucks. Not even R4s. frown.gif

But yeah I think it's time to remove one of them from the equation and see if that gets it. smile.gif

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Man that sucks. Not even R4s. frown.gif
But yeah I think it's time to remove one of them from the equation and see if that gets it. smile.gif
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As a reseller I do find it frustrating that my suppliers often don't carry the basics from certain brands. I guess they're more interested in the "best sellers". There's no lack of good brands represented here, but just not complete product ranges for those brands.

Checked the fans again. The push fan is smooth on its own. The pull fan has the problem even on its own. It changes sound and behaviour if I hand spin the push fan. Probably turbulence through the radiator making air too choppy to start with and when the push fan comes on its like an amplifier. smile.gif I'm keen on trying an air straightener on this problem before going on to some different fans.
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Alright thank you guys! and yea i would love the h100 but the Antec-DF isn't made for that, I don't want to lose the 2 top 140's. And if i try to install them in the back 120's the h100 RAD hits the the closed 140mm fan thats right next to the 120mm fans.

Actually you're wrong. It does fit. I seen a thread in here and google someone made it work in the Dark Fleet. It requires very MINOR modding. You can mount it on the top! As for the rear. I doubt it.
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Man that sucks. Not even R4s. frown.gif
But yeah I think it's time to remove one of them from the equation and see if that gets it. smile.gif
~Ceadder smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif

As a reseller I do find it frustrating that my suppliers often don't carry the basics from certain brands. I guess they're more interested in the "best sellers". There's no lack of good brands represented here, but just not complete product ranges for those brands.

Checked the fans again. The push fan is smooth on its own. The pull fan has the problem even on its own. It changes sound and behaviour if I hand spin the push fan. Probably turbulence through the radiator making air too choppy to start with and when the push fan comes on its like an amplifier. smile.gif I'm keen on trying an air straightener on this problem before going on to some different fans.

Yeah I can see how that could be a bit of a disappointment. Yate Loon makes a High Speed version of their 120x20 but nobody carries it. I can't imagine that nobody wants a true high speed 120x20 that costs only $4 each for stock fans. So this has to be a limitation of what the suppliers are willing to send to the public. I dunno maybe it's YLs' way of limiting the materials for manufacture. Copper isn't cheap after all an I'm sure the windings are a tad bit more expensive. Still you'd think that it would be the same for the 120x25 and 140x25 models. Of course it could also be that businesses choose not to stock them because their 120x20s' don't sell as well. I need my fans to be low profile. Yeah I could go pretty big in my 932, but the window I paid to have made would be filled with a Radiator and fans. Hell, I'm so against that I dropped the idea of using a 45mm shroud because it would push my fans halfway into the window. No thanks. mellowsmiley.gif

I'm glad you got it sorted out though. I was wracking my brain trying to figure out what the issue was. thumb.gif

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