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Lots of people run their fans on high. Some people run coolers with fans connected direct to molex. That's not my cup of tea. I don't see why we should put up with more noise even if the computer is idling. When I first got the H100 I used the block on the medium setting. Now I'm much happier with PWM even though my fans don't perform as well as the stock fans at max RPM.
Thanks. I'll keep at medium. Temp at high load still good even at 34C ambient, so I don't think I need to use high speed.
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"YMMV" ... is the key here, as so much depends on many other factors! How high is your overclock? What is the TDP of the chip to begin with? How well is your case ventilated? Are your GPU(s) overclocked and dumping loads of heat into the case? What are your consistent ambients?
I think "Merg" would agree that there is some difference in performance between the H80/H100 especially at "Low" fan setings, and may be more pronounced with high heat chips like the older AMD's (BE965/1100T) or Intel 980/990x's ... BUT you need to post links or personally verify your claims redface.gif ... HERE is another nice review backing up what we claim, but again it is with the all to common 2600K chip wink.gif ...
Personally for 24/7 clocks and everyday use NO ... Running IBT and other benches maybe a 2-3c difference in extreme conditions ... see above link for more confirmation.
Taking in my above comment's, I'd be very interested to see if you gain at most more than 2-3c improvement with a push/pull top exhaust setup. I'm not sure how much heat that 690 leaks into the case? ... Awesome card wish I could afford one (or TWO) biggrin.gif ... back in the day I had 2 x 295GTX's Quad SLI's.
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H100 on low (completely silent with the right fans) is equal to H80 on medium. H100 on med is equal to H80 on high, H100 wins. this is all that I said. I said if you have the space in your case, get the h100. that statement still stands. it beats the H100. the price is almost the same between the H80/H100- but the H100 is better in all regards (assuming you have the space). the H60 is can be bought for half the price of either of them.

if you are trying to point out the fact that its only by a few degrees, this is always the case. the difference from the mighty noctua d14 and other so called "crappy coolers" is still only a few degrees. its always a matter of a few degrees. these guys that argue non-stop about the differences of thermal pastes argue about a tenth of a degree difference.

It's not quite as simple as all that Mate. There are other things to consider here as well.

Spreadability, price and in the case of AS5 versus G751, burn in time.

Price is squarely in AS5's favor.

From experienece I would say that everything else is squarely in G751's favor. Temps included. But as you stated they're within less that 1*c difference of each other so if you wish to spend 200h or longer burning it in AS5 may be what you want.

Personally, since G751 spreads quite well with nothing more than the weight of the coolers I use, I stick with that although the price per .5g is completely insane. thumb.gif

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Thanks. So, your H100 is running at medium setting/speed 24/7? You're right, between ambient 32C & 34C/36C, the difference of CPU temp is only 2C.
Anyone else think running H100 at high speed 24/7 is not good idea?

My "bastardized push/pull/exhaust setup actually performs quite well on the "Low" settings for "most" situations, to quote the "YMMV" comments I made earlier. AND I whole-heartedly agree w/Merg's comments below ... there's a trade off or a "diminishing returns" scenario depending on personal preference in the performance vs Noise debate which may never be settled just like Obama's "Socialism" vs Romney's "Capitalism" arguement biggrin.gif
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Lots of people run their fans on high. Some people run coolers with fans connected direct to molex. That's not my cup of tea. I don't see why we should put up with more noise even if the computer is idling. When I first got the H100 I used the block on the medium setting. Now I'm much happier with PWM even though my fans don't perform as well as the stock fans at max RPM.

I also really wished the stock H100 fans were PWM but maybe one of the reasons they weren't was because upon initial release Corsair was really pushing their unique?, but IMO severly overpriced "Link" cooling controller?
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If you are trying to point out the fact that its only by a few degrees, this is always the case.
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How about a few links then? As I mentioned, it took me 30 seconds to find two reviews supporting the small difference between the H80 and H100. Also, that doesn't explain anyone claiming that the H80 barely outperforms the H60..

Whooa Partner ... this argument is bordering absurd redface.gif ... I only posted that link to try and help you out ... The facts are there, read my posts more carefully "YMMV" ... What set Merg off was your statement that the H60 and H80 had similar performance characteristics ... and that could be true if your running a Non K 2500 Not overclocked in a Dell case ... but you didn't say that or post links accentuating such ... "YMMV"
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forget the H60 FFS. this is getting absurd, and its because you are focusing on one little part of the argument and reading WAY too much into it.

the guy didnt even ask about the H60. forget I said anything whatsoever about the H60. my whole point was that he should go with the H100 if he could because it going to give the lowest temps.
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anyone tested an H100 with Corsair Air SP performance fans in push/pull?
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H100 on low (completely silent with the right fans) is equal to H80 on medium. H100 on med is equal to H80 on high, H100 wins. this is all that I said. I said if you have the space in your case, get the h100. that statement still stands. it beats the H100. the price is almost the same between the H80/H100- but the H100 is better in all regards (assuming you have the space). the H60 is can be bought for half the price of either of them.
if you are trying to point out the fact that its only by a few degrees, this is always the case. the difference from the mighty noctua d14 and other so called "crappy coolers" is still only a few degrees. its always a matter of a few degrees. these guys that argue non-stop about the differences of thermal pastes argue about a tenth of a degree difference.

By your own chart:

H100 High: 48.6
H80 High: 51.9

51.9 - 48.6 = 3.3c, which is a small difference. That's by your chart, which I have no idea where it came from. Other reviews have gotten less of a difference. In fact, the case you put the coolers in could account for a degree or two as well, since not all cases provide the best airflow for both sizes of cooler. Hell, even just changing from exhaust to intake on the H80 would make as much of a difference, or changing the type of fan you use (which many people do).

As I stated to begin with, a person should use which ever cooler fits the best in their case since both coolers perform so closely. Also note that by your own chart, the H60 is outperformed by the H80 on high by about 5c. Still, that's not all that much (the H60 is still a good cooler), but it's not better than the H80. I'm only considering maximum performance here. And I also point out again that there are many other reviews out there (I provided links to two of them) that place the H80 closer to the H100 than your chart does, but again only by a degree, give or take.

Personally, I have never argued over a 10th of a degree, or even one or two or three degrees. In my opinion, that much of a difference is basically no difference. Perhaps it may make a difference to someone pushing their CPU right to the edge.

As I said in the first place. The H60 does not outperform the H80, and the H80 and H100 are so close in performance that IMO it's best to use whichever fits your case (and budget) the best. The H80 is basically $20 less than the H100. If you're interested in 1-3c for $20, and you have the space, then fine. I see no problem with the H100 (in fact, I bought one the day they became available). However, if 1-3c is not worth $20 to you, or the H100 won't fit in your case then rest assured that if you go with an H80 you've still made a good choice. Or, if the H100 won't fit in your case, the H80 will still do a great job. If 5C is no big deal, then by all means go with the H60. It's still a good choice.
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Ahh, so as long as we are talking about H100 vs H80, 3.3 degrees is not that much. I get it now. rolleyes.gif
also- I never said the H60 outperformed anything.
This entire debate is retarded. You cant argue that 3.3 degrees is just not that much, but 5 is a lot. If 5 is a lot, 3.3 is still quite sizable. The comparisons are completely relevant to each other.
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Both of you [Mergatroid/RX7-2nr] are obviously experienced builders with a wealth of knowledge willing to help others thumb.gif And healthy debates is what keeps everyone informed and on top of their game! Both of you had very valid points ... BUT both of you IMO made at best, very dubious statements rolleyes.gif

1) RX7-2nr ... page 2070 / post #20691
"The double thick radiator of the h80 just doesnt make that much of a difference over the H60".


Which for good reason got Mergatroid excited and caused me to post this ...

"YMMV" ... is the key here, as so much depends on many other factors! How high is your overclock? What is the TDP of the chip to begin with? How well is your case ventilated? What kind of fans are you using? Are your GPU(s) overclocked and dumping loads of heat into the case? What are your consistent ambients?... And most importantly (especially for me) how much noise are you willing to put up with for improved performance?

Then surprisingly Mergatroid posted this ...
Mergatroid ... page 2070 / post #20695
"The performance difference between the H100 and H80 is almost nothing."

Which caused me to post the link [HERE] where RX7 got the graph from ... AnandTech is a pretty reliable source, and for me is why I chose the H100 over the H80 ... Much less noise for the same or Better temp performance, which RX7 clearly points out biggrin.gif

All in all a healthy robust debate ... But now it's time for you two to (LoL) to "Kiss and make up?" biggrin.gif

@PihillyD... I have not seen any credible info on the H100 w/push/pull Corsair Air SP/120 Performance setup yet. I know they are out there so please post when you find some and I'll do the same smile.gif
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I filled out the form to join and here is a pic of my set up -

H100 with 2 SP120 High Performance High Static Pressure Fans Mounted To It.

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Originally Posted by RX7-2nr View Post

Ahh, so as long as we are talking about H100 vs H80, 3.3 degrees is not that much. I get it now. rolleyes.gif
also- I never said the H60 outperformed anything.
This entire debate is retarded. You cant argue that 3.3 degrees is just not that much, but 5 is a lot. If 5 is a lot, 3.3 is still quite sizable. The comparisons are completely relevant to each other.

3c is much easier to make up for just by arrangement of fans in a case over 5c. Also, as I stated about three times, other reviews have shown the difference to be less. I'm not going by just one review.

For example, an H80 used as Intake may perfectly match an H100 used as Exhaust. I will always go back to my original statement, use whichever cooler fits your case the best (which I've always said). The performance difference between the two coolers is too small to worry about.
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