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That sux frown.gif You now have 3 options. Put 2 or 3 more fans on the front so its pushed towards the card more. Zip tie the rad to the top of the dvd drive cages. Or get some old crap 120. cu out the fans and use them as a mount / extender.
I'll take option three and make a triple shroud wink.gif
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There you go! That will work. Glad I could help. If your not already on the list go ahead and add yourself smile.gif
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Hey, im sure this was discussed somewhere before, but 2153 pages is a bit long to read through. LOL. Honestly, great job making this a strong thread.
My question is, im running an "old" H50 on my i7 920, and just ran into a linus tech tips video on the corsair SP120 fans. They do look pretty good, as seeing as so far I love everything corsair makes, why not give them a try. Im just wondering if anyone on here has already figured out how good or not good they are for the H50 or similar setups?
Currently I have two Antec Tricool fans on full blast (pretty loud) in a push pull config, as well as 5 additional Tricools for intake and exhaust throughout my Antec P182 (moded) case.
Im thinking of getting two SP 120's for my rad, but I was thinking, if I cut the rear of my case out so there is no metal mesh, would the pull fan be better suited as say an air flow series corsair fan since there wouldn't be any resistance on the push side of the fan, or does the resistance on the radiator side of this "exhaust" fan also play into account on the vacuum it would be creating.
Also, what do you guys think are the best fans for the job, right now im running about 35c (very dependant on ambient temp) idle at a 3.82 ghz OC, and max out at about 65c.

IMO your overthinking the possible advantage/performance gain of using a higher CFM but lower Static Pressure fan as your "Pull" fan unless you just have an extra 120mm fan lying around you could save a "few" $$$ ... AND Let's not get into the whole "Mis-Matched" fan debate [HERE] again as they will work BUT NOT optimally redface.gif
I would stick with 2 matching fans. You'd be fine with the GT AP-15's [HERE] as Nethermir and myself have suggested before ... BUT I also think you'd be very happy with the Corsair Air Series SP120 High Performance Edition [HERE] you mention above. They may be a bit louder than the GT's at full rpm but they are slightly cheaper cost$$$ wise and IMO look better. AND in a push/pull I doubt you'd have to run them at full rpm (2350) to match the performance of the GT-AP15's (1850rpm) with an H50 ... but if you were to only buy one for the push fan and use a cheaper one (extra one lying around) for the pull fan ... then I'd lean toward the Corsair as a single fan purchase redface.gif ... but again for the corsair twin pack it only cost's you an additional $6 for the 2nd fan thumb.gif

I also highly recommend cutting out the rear fan grill, as you proposed above, for what ever setup you decide to go with ...You may find as I did that is one of the biggest performance boosts you can do AND it costs nothing wink.gif



EDIT: Ceadderman talks about fan performance for one of his old H50's [HERE}
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big disappointment for me: the H80i won't fit in the Silverstone SG-09.
1. the radiator is wider than the claimed 120mm. I have two other brands' 120mm fans tested in there and they fit with clearance.
2. the radiator is so tall that it has to be mounted with the tubes on top, and even then it's only about 3mm above the graphics card.
3. the radiator+fans are so long when stacked that they almost cover the CPU in that case...the tubes just won't bend enough.
so, it's going back to newegg and I'm getting banged for a restocking fee :/
if anyone can recommend a smaller water cooler I'm open to suggestions.
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Mines not wider.
Your case must be very very tiny if it almost covers the CPU..You can always mount it with just one fan. Also, the H80i didnt even fit in my case sitting up right or upside down..Did you try mounting it sideways...? That is almost guaranteed to fit.
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IMO your overthinking the possible advantage/performance gain of using a higher CFM but lower Static Pressure fan as your "Pull" fan unless you just have an extra 120mm fan lying around you could save a "few" $$$ ... AND Let's not get into the whole "Mis-Matched" fan debate [HERE] again as they will work BUT NOT optimally redface.gif
I would stick with 2 matching fans. You'd be fine with the GT AP-15's [HERE] as Nethermir and myself have suggested before ... BUT I also think you'd be very happy with the Corsair Air Series SP120 High Performance Edition [HERE] you mention above. They may be a bit louder than the GT's at full rpm but they are slightly cheaper cost$$$ wise and IMO look better. AND in a push/pull I doubt you'd have to run them at full rpm (2350) to match the performance of the GT-AP15's (1850rpm) with an H50 ... but if you were to only buy one for the push fan and use a cheaper one (extra one lying around) for the pull fan ... then I'd lean toward the Corsair as a single fan purchase redface.gif ... but again for the corsair twin pack it only cost's you an additional $6 for the 2nd fan thumb.gif
I also highly recommend cutting out the rear fan grill, as you proposed above, for what ever setup you decide to go with ...You may find as I did that is one of the biggest performance boosts you can do AND it costs nothing wink.gif

EDIT: Ceadderman talks about fan performance for one of his old H50's [HERE}

Thanks for the info. Yea I def plan on cutting the rear grate out, as well as my upper 120 and front 120's as well, I figure if I'm going to be doing an entire fan redo, lets do this right!

But my other question, any idea how much the push/pull actually does help? I don't feel like testing it right now with my current fans, firstly because I'm sure other people must have some results, and I don't have time (finals this week). I'm assuming the push/pull does help a bit, although with cutting out the rear metal mesh why would the pull fan REALLY be needed? I am going to buy the dual pack anyways, so I do plan on testing it myself, but if anyone has already determined it to help or not, maybe I won't waste my time testing.

Also, any actual results on how much cutting the metal mesh out of your case did?

Thanks!
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Thanks for the info. Yea I def plan on cutting the rear grate out, as well as my upper 120 and front 120's as well, I figure if I'm going to be doing an entire fan redo, lets do this right!
But my other question, any idea how much the push/pull actually does help? I don't feel like testing it right now with my current fans, firstly because I'm sure other people must have some results, and I don't have time (finals this week). I'm assuming the push/pull does help a bit, although with cutting out the rear metal mesh why would the pull fan REALLY be needed? I am going to buy the dual pack anyways, so I do plan on testing it myself, but if anyone has already determined it to help or not, maybe I won't waste my time testing.
Also, any actual results on how much cutting the metal mesh out of your case did?
Thanks!

Push/Pull results can really depend on how good/quality (static pressure) fans you use in the 1st place. Did you read my Ceadderman link above? He swears it makes a signifigant difference (-5c?) with push/pull for the H50 and touts the use of a push "shroud", read more [HERE] It wont take that long to test it yourself since it sounds like your purchasing 2 fans wink.gif
As far as cutting the metal mesh (fan grill) out of the back/top of the case, kinda of depends on the type of case grill in the 1st place and your setup. The case grill pictured below (CM/HAF) looks quite restrictive, and if I remember right in a build with an H60 setup I did with rear exhaust and only one push fan we got a 2c-3c improvement under full load thumb.gif
But with an additional high quality static pressure fan pulling and also essentially exhausting (pushing) through the rear fan grill your mileage may vary "YMMV" redface.gif

It would be nice for us if you took the time to confirm all this with your setup biggrin.gif


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Push/Pull results can really depend on how good/quality (static pressure) fans you use in the 1st place. Did you read my Ceadderman link above? He swears it makes a signifigant difference (-5c?) with push/pull for the H50 and touts the use of a push "shroud", read more [HERE] It wont take that long to test it yourself since it sounds like your purchasing 2 fans wink.gif
As far as cutting the metal mesh (fan grill) out of the back/top of the case, kinda of depends on the type of case grill in the 1st place and your setup. The case grill pictured below (CM/HAF) looks quite restrictive, and if I remember right in a build with an H60 setup I did with rear exhaust and only one push fan we got a 2c-3c improvement under full load thumb.gif
But with an additional high quality static pressure fan pulling and also essentially exhausting (pushing) through the rear fan grill your mileage may vary "YMMV" redface.gif
It would be nice for us if you took the time to confirm all this with your setup biggrin.gif

Yea, I took another look at it all and yea, looks like people do encourage the use of push pull, only thing is I have herd of the shroud idea before, but how does one go about making it? I think once I saw people just took apart old fans and used that as a spacer to help eliminate dead spot, but that link to the Ceadderman comments, I don't remember who said it but they said the spacer doesn't make a very large difference, and unfortunately I don't have enough clearance to run a spacer and push pull. The push fan would hit my h50 waterblock/pump mad.gif.

I will chop out the rear fan grill, that is going to happen. And I will try and run some comprehensive tests and post the results on here. Im thinking I will run a test with the setup I currently have (antec Tricools in P/P) with fan grate still intact, rerun with no fan grate, then once again with only 1 corsair static pressures in push, and once again with corsair's in P/P. (corsair tests will only be done without fan gate im thinking, not sure how much testing I really want to be doing). Although, I suppose people might want to know how much difference the corsairs do with the grate still in place. I suppose since those are results I would have liked to see, I gata do them.

Also, this is the rear fan grate the my case has, not too restrictive, but still not optimal.

Edited by {EAC} Shoot em UP - 12/5/12 at 10:48am
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big disappointment for me: the H80i won't fit in the Silverstone SG-09.
1. the radiator is wider than the claimed 120mm. I have two other brands' 120mm fans tested in there and they fit with clearance.
2. the radiator is so tall that it has to be mounted with the tubes on top, and even then it's only about 3mm above the graphics card.
3. the radiator+fans are so long when stacked that they almost cover the CPU in that case...the tubes just won't bend enough.
so, it's going back to newegg and I'm getting banged for a restocking fee :/
if anyone can recommend a smaller water cooler I'm open to suggestions.
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Not saying its a bad case. But that is one tiny tiny case. If the cooler and rad do not fit then get a different case.
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Push/Pull results can really depend on how good/quality (static pressure) fans you use in the 1st place. Did you read my Ceadderman link above? He swears it makes a signifigant difference (-5c?) with push/pull for the H50 and touts the use of a push "shroud", read more [HERE] It wont take that long to test it yourself since it sounds like your purchasing 2 fans wink.gif
As far as cutting the metal mesh (fan grill) out of the back/top of the case, kinda of depends on the type of case grill in the 1st place and your setup. The case grill pictured below (CM/HAF) looks quite restrictive, and if I remember right in a build with an H60 setup I did with rear exhaust and only one push fan we got a 2c-3c improvement under full load thumb.gif
But with an additional high quality static pressure fan pulling and also essentially exhausting (pushing) through the rear fan grill your mileage may vary "YMMV" redface.gif
It would be nice for us if you took the time to confirm all this with your setup biggrin.gif

Yep thats HAF922. I have one of those and I cut the rear grille out. I saw a 6*c drop in temps on my H60. I then used a Silverstone fan filter to keep the dust out and it went back up about 1*c. So averaged 5*c drop removing the fan grille.
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Wowsers! Corsair H100i installed top mounted in NZXT Phantom 410 thumb.gif


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Add yourself to the list if you want! Congratz on the new H100i thumb.gif
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