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post #21821 of 28247
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Originally Posted by dmanstasiu View Post

You need to calm down and organize your posts.

if it's stable at 1.08v and 4.5GHz, awesome. If you want to push it further, we can help you.

When you increase voltage, the CPU can be more powerful, but also produces more heat. Yes. Heat is ONLY consequence, and nothing else.

The basics of overclocking is you push your chip until it's either unstable, and you cannot give it more voltage because it produces too much heat.

Two overclocking limiting factors:
1) voltage. You can either feed it more voltage, or lower the multiplier.
2) Heat. You either lower the voltage to make the heat tolerable (Ideally under 70C in Prime95, but you can run it hotter if you like. Intel's safe temps are 105 on Sandybridge, and 98C on your chip I believe. But generally, you want to stay under or around 70C in prime95 since gaming will never push it as hard. Your other option, is to upgrade cooling. In terms of enthusiast cooling, the H50 is mediocre at best.

If you have any other questions about acronyms or procedures or anything, make a clear and organized post smile.gif

lol ... I WAS very calm and spent two hours reviseing it... i think your expectections might be too high. smile.gif like mine in thinking i'm going to get any simple awnsers here smile.gif

Ok its's stable and maybe i haven't been clear enough... i'm looking for a liitle help here.

Unmitigated heat isn't an isolated incident without consequence to the system... thermal shutdown lies at the end of that road, no? (ie, instability)

Maybe you can start be defining "stable" .. are all overclockers meaning the same thing?

Overclocking! OK... now were are getting somewhere... using what you know of overclocking... and using the information i provided, about my bios, in my rambling monolouge above... can you give me REAL practical numbers i can start plugging in? Am I bound by my bios limitations? What are they?

Your assertion that H50 is mediocre is not proven by my results. I'm reading about others running 3570k and unable to make it stable or crash free @ 4.3ghz @ 1.25 volts. I can't get it to crash or even warm up. Tuning my fans got me 7c... forcing the mobo to runs the pump at 1400 rpm instead of the 823 rpm , gave me 10c ... neg pressure in the case... another 3c. I was running , as you say in the 70's... now 50's when oc's and running prime95. YMMV

My guess is Intel is flipping a switch behind the curtain on my settings in the auto overclock... It says full load , but not registering any real overclock. As I don't know enough to ask inteligent questions, perhaps... you can just look over the bios and give me the settings, instead of giving me a hard time, k?

Note: I was just gaming in stock mode (a :source game) ... I left the game running and checked some stats .. 23c on the processors 41c max... 17% load ... 2200ghz .. Ok.. maybe it didn't need any more power to push out 125-250 fps .. but still , how can i kick this thing in the @ss? how much power saving does a high end gaming chip need?
Edited by opforwarrior - 1/10/13 at 2:30am
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Hi, will I fit H100i in 300r? I got :

|MB| MSI Z77A-G45
|CPU| Intel® Core™ i5-2400 3,1 GHz
|RAM| Corsair 8GB DDR3 1600MHz CL10 Vengeance
|VGA| MSI R5870 PM2D1G
|HDD| Seagate Barracuda 7200 500GB
|PSU| Corsair CX600 V2
|AUDIO| Logitech Z623
|KEYBOARD| Razer Blackwidow Battlefield 3™
|MOUSE| Razer Mamba
|MOUSEPAD| Razer Goliathus Extended Control Edition
|LCD| Acer S235HLbii

//doesn't fit with default fans, nevermind, I will change it for C70..
Edited by blizzard232 - 1/10/13 at 5:08am
post #21823 of 28247
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Originally Posted by TomcatV View Post

Those temps look very good and quite normal with some assuptions on your ambients (22c?) and setup ( Push/Top intake?) ... I'm feeling your urge to de-lid the Ivy Bridge with it's poor cost-cutting lack of fluxless solder attachment ... back in the day several of us delided our Opty's ((Opteron 165 for me) to reach the coveted 3.0GHz stable Overclock (LoL rolleyes.gif), mine hit a wall @2.85 before IHS removal. Was it worth it? For me at the time YES ... and it is not nearly as hard as some make it out to be.
If I had your 3770K and 4.6 stability today ... I wouldn't bother, you have a nice stable OC'd setup! BUT if your into Mad Max clocks ... well you know the answer wink.gif see [HERE]


Hi TomcatV, thanks for your reply.

I'm not after mad max clocks, so I think I'm very happy for now. There was a bit of instability when playing some games, but I'm running offset voltage +0.005, and I had all C states enabled. I left C1E enabled (as recommended by many ppl here and other tech forums it seems), and turned off C3, C6, and Package C. Haven't had any issues with crashes or random behavior since. I thought it may have been the CPU getting random drops in voltage, when checking CPU-Z the overclocked frequency fluctuates a lot, from max 4.6ghz to around 2.0ghz to 1.6ghz (minimum). Average voltage and maximum have remained unchanged, still not seeing anything higher than 1.238vcore. Once, I saw 1.24 which was kind of weird. Anyway now I turned off most C states I don't get weird fluctuations in my frequency when the CPU is actually under load (even for a lighweight program or game). biggrin.gif

As for my ambients they are usually around 21c - 23c, sometimes lower or higher depending on if I'm feeling too cold.

But I appreciate your input and after doing a lot of reading over the past few days, it seems that although my chip is not GREAT it is pretty good for being an Ivy, I'm just happy that the voltage isn't too much. I remember when first trying the auto tuning feature on my bios, and HWMonitor was showing 1.48v, scared the **** out of me and I immediately shut off my computer after a minute or so.
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Originally Posted by opforwarrior View Post

Heat isn't an isolated consequence though... thermal shutdown lies at the end of that road, no? (ie, instability)
This is incorrect. Thermal shutdown is thermal shutdown, instability is instability. Thermal shutdown happen when CPU temps exceeds the designated temperature threshold for that CPU. It has nothing to do with instability. It only means the cooling system unable to handle the heat from the CPU. Instability means the CPU unable to maintain the overclocked CPU frequency. One of the reason why it's unstable (usually) is because the voltage is too low or not enough.
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Originally Posted by opforwarrior View Post

"• Vcore – This is the voltage feed to the cpu, increasing this will allow stability however the lower the voltage required to maintain stablility the better. "
http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/rmp_i7_920_overclocking

"As we increase the processor’s operating frequency, we’re going to need to increase VCore in order to facilitate higher switching frequencies of the processor core. The conventional method of doing this is simply to set voltage control to manual mode and type in the required voltage for stability at the selected operating frequency. However, the side effect of using this method is that the applied voltage code (VID) remains static under all loading conditions so we end up increasing power consumption and heat production under light loading conditions unnecessarily."
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?2162-Overclocking-Using-Offset-Mode-for-CPU-Core-Voltage

"When a processor is overclocked the processor increases the core voltage at the cost of system stability, power consumption and heat dissipation. This is known as overvolting."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_core_voltage


Some conflicting or misinterpreted info out there....
I don't see any conflicting interpretation or information in the above quotes. They all agree when overclocking Vcore also need to increase for stability. Higher the voltage = higher power consumption = higher heat output. That is why when increasing Vcore to compensate higher CPU frequency, the lower the voltage the better. For example, you can run 4.3GHz OC with Vcore 1.5V but 1.5V is too high. The right course of action is to lower it. Every time lowering the voltage, run a quick stability test using P95 or IBT or any stress test program for 30 minutes to 1 hour. Keep lowering Vcore until you get BSOD when running stability test. So, the last stable voltage is the minimum Vcore you need for that speed. When overclocking, heat output will increased. The only thing you can do is to minimized it. This all depend on the quality of the chips.

(The second quote is explaining the difference between manual voltage & offset voltage. Of course, when using manual voltage, VID & Vcore remain static regardless the speed. So, even when idle the power consumption will be high & this cause unnecessary high heat output.) VID (Voltage Identification) is the default Vcore the CPU needs to run at stock frequency. VID is set at factory & each chip has different VID. Basically, VID is the voltage CPU requested & Vcore is the voltage CPU get.
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Corsair H100 on CPU and H80 on GPU.


Also gonna have Corsair on a new Backup rig, just havent decided between h100 and H100i yet, since they are both the same price right now.
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post #21826 of 28247
So guys, I just ordered a 2nd generation H60 from Amazon like 5 minutes ago, what would you recommend me? to use only the fan that comes with the H60 (SP120) or also use the back 120mm one that came with my case (650D) in a push pull config?

Thanks!, really looking forward to using the H60.
Edited by SlackerITGuy - 1/10/13 at 10:47am
post #21827 of 28247
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Originally Posted by SlackerITGuy View Post

So guys, I just ordered a 2nd generation H60 from Amazon like 5 minutes ago, what would you recommend me? to use only the fan that comes with the H60 (SP120) or also use the back 120mm one that came with my case (650D) in a push pull config?

Thanks!, really looking forward to using the H60.

I would recommend that you buy one of these and use it as the push fan:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181026

And use the stock fan (SP120L) as the pull fan.
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Hi,

I Ordered my H100i today. But i'm new to all this water cooling thing. And did some research.
I noticed that there are fans better suited for cases and others better for radiators. (more static pressure I believe?)

What are recommended fans for (push pull) the h100i?
Or are this just the SP120's from corsair?

thanks.
post #21829 of 28247
Anyone know if there is a Corsair rep on here? Looking for warranty information on canadian products and possible turn around time. I think my H100 is about to **** the bed.

Thanks,
Dan
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500GB USB 3 extension drive DVD writer Custom made cooler Windows 7 Ultimate 
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15.3" HD LED BEATS audio. 
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I5-3570K Asus Maximus V GENE Nvidia GTX 760 Asus 16 GB Patriot VIPER Red 
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240 GB PNY SSD 3TB Storage Drive 4TB External HDD Western Digitial XSPC Raystorm 
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Corsair SP120 Corsair SP120 LED Windows 7 BenQ 27" HD LED 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech MW3 850W HX Corsair PSU Prodigy M G500 
Mouse PadAudio
Diablo 3 SteelSeries AC97 7.1 //HDMI 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i7-3610QM 630M 8GB DDR3 120GB SSD 
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500GB USB 3 extension drive DVD writer Custom made cooler Windows 7 Ultimate 
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Originally Posted by js593 View Post

Anyone know if there is a Corsair rep on here? Looking for warranty information on canadian products and possible turn around time. I think my H100 is about to **** the bed.

Thanks,
Dan

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