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I updated my post.
Cheers.

Edit: In fact, I had seen a test whereby the H80i on stock fans ran a 3930k at 4.6Ghz and hit 95c in prime95 blend test after 30 minutes. The H100i was then tested with a pair of NF f12's and hit 71c. However I don't fully trust that because I've had 2 H100i's and my CPU at 1.37v @ 4.5GHz would hit 83c with Nf F12's. I also had lower ambient and far better airflow than the test rig used.

Right now im running 4.9ghz in my 3570k @ 1.316v-1.37v and it only gives me 83c in prime and 93c+ in IBT.. All stock fan in my H80i..
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I know there's nothing much special w/ my rig but I just want to share some pics w/ my H80i... biggrin.gif:D:D
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)



Beautiful job, especially for your 1st build thumb.gif
2nd pic = definition of a dominating "desktop" LoL redface.gif ...
Also time to fill in your system specs ... see my signature wink.gif

I like your final OC numbers/settings for 24/7 @4.9. You have a pretty nice chip there even with your somewhat high ambients your #'s are respectable. Maybe still a bit on the "Hot" side for me, but that's me. I know it's tough to give up that enviable 5.0 24/7 OC moniker, but now your IB and especially your mobo will live a much longer and happier life. On the other side Kizwan is right if you want to go for "Mad Clocking" you could push the Intel spec sheet, something I use to do all the time. I just thought we should lean more to the cautious side since this is your 1st beautiful new build! And honestly I never cut a CPU's life short by my standards (5+ years) but I know for a fact I shortened a few motherboards lives once I got out of custom loops and custom motherboard cooling blocks. And if your not de-liding and and down the road still want to push Intel spec, I highly recommend you get Intel's Performance Tuning Protection Plan.. ... See HERE ... Edit: ooops nevermind doesn't look like they still offer this for Ivy Bridge, at least I couldn't find it right away, maybe make a new post in Intel CPU's and see if any OCN user's could confirm or update that great program they had with Sandy Bridge/ SB-E rolleyes.gif

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Edit: However, yeah the H100i can perform up to 20c better than the H80i and the H110 can be up to 6c better than the H100i. Plus, if you use very good fans on the H110, it will widen the gap even more between the H100i and the H110.
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My new H110 arrived today! Can't wait to stick some 140mm vipers in push pull on it! biggrin.gif

Sorry Bradley I've got to step in here and call nonsense that an H100i will outperform an H80i by 20c degrees. Not even close, more like 3c-4c at most depending on set-up and overclock. Real world results here @ OCN and reviews suggest more equally comparable performance ... see HERE

It will be fun and informative to see your head to head results (screenies please) comparing your H100i to your new H110 thumb.gif see HERE post 22784 for detailed reporting/examples wink.gif
Edited by TomcatV - 7/4/13 at 12:57pm
 
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Beautiful job, especially for your 1st build thumb.gif
2nd pic = definition of a dominating "desktop" LoL redface.gif ...
Also time to fill in your system specs ... see my signature wink.gif

I like your final OC numbers/settings for 24/7 @4.9. You have a pretty nice chip there even with your somewhat high ambients your #'s are respectable. Maybe still a bit on the "Hot" side for me, but that's me. I know it's tough to give up that enviable 5.0 24/7 OC moniker, but now your IB and especially your mobo will live a much longer and happier life. On the other side Kizwan is right if you want to go for "Mad Clocking" you could push the Intel spec sheet, something I use to do all the time. I just thought we should lean more to the cautious side since this is your 1st beautiful new build! And honestly I never cut a CPU's life short by my standards (5+ years) but I know for a fact I shortened a few motherboards lives once I got out of custom loops and custom motherboard cooling blocks. And if your not de-liding and and down the road still want to push Intel spec, I highly recommend you get Intel's Performance Tuning Protection Plan.. ... See HERE ... Edit: ooops nevermind doesn't look like they still offer this for Ivy Bridge, at least I couldn't find it right away, maybe make a new post in Intel CPU's and see if any OCN user's could confirm or update that great program they had with Sandy Bridge/ SB-E rolleyes.gif
Sorry Bradley I've got to step in here and call nonsense that an H100i will outperform an H80i by 20c degrees. Not even close, more like 3c-4c at most depending on set-up and overclock. Real world results here @ OCN and reviews suggest more equally comparable performance ... see HERE

It will be fun and informative to see your head to head results (screenies please) comparing your H100i to your new H110 thumb.gif see HERE post 22784 for detailed reporting/examples wink.gif

Well yeah, I'm glad you stepped in because it also seems very odd to me as well, and this is what I was trying to say. This information was found on a Linus Tech Tips video. All his results just seem way off to me in just about every cooler review I've seen NCIX do.
For example, they had a 3960X or something like that at "around" 4.6Ghz
In prime95, they said the H100i scored 71c and the Tt Water 2.0 Extreme scored about 66c.
On this basis, I purchased both coolers and tested.
My results were as followed:
3930K @ 4.4Ghz, 1.35v
Tt water 2.0 Extreme = Fail, TJMax of 91c met.
H100i = 87c
Second H100i purchased and tested = 86c.
I even replaced my CPU for another 3930K and I tried all different thermal pastes and airflows/cases/open benches/NF F12's/ NF's in P/P, low rpm/high rpm and so on! I even matched their ambient to 17c!
I spent about £1,000 on coolers and other stuff to replicate their testing environment and I could not match it, even despite giving myself the advantages on open bench and push/pull.
They made a mistake with the H220 testing and they made a false claim about a certain keyboard using fake cherry MX keys. So I would not be surprised if they have made a LOT more mistakes.
I like their channel and reviews, but I have become very suspicious now.....

Look at this crap: Skip to 5:06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWQGmX994fU

Edit:
I also forgot, I tested the H220 the same they tested. I hit 78c and i expected a score of 60c based on their testing.

Also, I will compare the H100i with the H110 for you all wink.gif
Edited by BradleyW - 7/4/13 at 1:27pm
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When Intel CPU working within the specification, it actually not pushing the chip to the limit. It in fact set well below the limit of the chip. I have three years old Intel CPU that running 99 - 100C most of the time & still working. TJmax is 100C & obviously it will throttling when it reached 100C. Even if I forced the clock modulation to 100% to prevent throttling, computer will shutdown after a couple of seconds. If you feeds too much voltage, then you can killed your CPU. That's what Intel recommended max voltage is for. That's when CPU start to degrade. Rule of thumb when overclocking is to use lowest Vcore as possible. When going for higher or extreme overclock, then make sure voltage is within the limit.

I agree running CPU overclocked at lower temperature for one or two reasons; I don't want performance effected because of thermal throttling & don't want data loss when computer shutdown abruptly because of thermal shutdown. If CPU working within specification, it will live for years.

[EDIT] Sorry for slightly off topic. I'll get back on topic in my next post. smile.gif
Edited by kizwan - 7/4/13 at 1:21pm
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When Intel CPU working within the specification, it actually not pushing the chip to the limit. It in fact set well below the limit of the chip. I have three years old Intel CPU that running 99 - 100C most of the time & still working. TJmax is 100C & obviously it will throttling when it reached 100C. Even if I forced the clock modulation to 100% to prevent throttling, computer will shutdown after a couple of seconds. If you feeds too much voltage, then you can killed your CPU. That's what Intel recommended max voltage is for. That's when CPU start to degrade. Rule of thumb when overclocking is to use lowest Vcore as possible. When going for higher or extreme overclock, then make sure voltage is within the limit.

I agree running CPU overclocked at lower temperature for one or two reasons; I don't want performance effected because of thermal throttling & don't want data loss when computer shutdown abruptly because of thermal shutdown. If CPU working within specification, it will live for years.

[EDIT] Sorry for slightly off topic. I'll get back on topic in my next post. smile.gif

Who was this in response to?
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Well yeah, I'm glad you stepped in because it also seems very odd to me as well, and this is what I was trying to say. This information was found on a Linus Tech Tips video. All his results just seem way off to me in just about every cooler review I've seen NCIX do.
For example, they had a 3960X or something like that at "around" 4.6Ghz
In prime95, they said the H100i scored 71c and the Tt Water 2.0 Extreme scored about 66c.
On this basis, I purchased both coolers and tested.
My results were as followed:
3930K @ 4.4Ghz, 1.35v
Tt water 2.0 Extreme = Fail, TJMax of 91c met.
H100i = 87c
Second H100i purchased and tested = 86c.
I even replaced my CPU for another 3930K and I tried all different thermal pastes and airflows/cases/open benches/NF F12's/ NF's in P/P, low rpm/high rpm and so on! I even matched their ambient to 17c!
I spent about £1,000 on coolers and other stuff to replicate their testing environment and I could not match it, even despite giving myself the advantages on open bench and push/pull.
They made a mistake with the H220 testing and they made a false claim about a certain keyboard using fake cherry MX keys. So I would not be surprised if they have made a LOT more mistakes.
I like their channel and reviews, but I have become very suspicious now.....

Look at this crap: Skip to 5:06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWQGmX994fU

Edit:
I also forgot, I tested the H220 the same they tested. I hit 78c and i expected a score of 60c based on their testing.

Also, I will compare the H100i with the H110 for you all wink.gif

Well I've somewhat liked Linus NCIX in the past because of their high quality/easy to understand presentations ... BUT redface.gif some of his statistics/conclusions are "Dodgey" at best especially his original H220 review. Since then I've always taken his results with a big grain of salt rolleyes.gif

IE. Does anyone believe an H220 outperforms an H100i by 13c using the same Noctua fans tongue.gif ... and outperforms an H110 by 7c tongue.gif ... I sure don't and I'm a big fan of the H220 now that they have the bugs ironed out.

This is a much better/believable review HERE and HERE is Linus' bungled review, although I give him credit for professionally correcting his mistakes even though I DO NOT agree with his results wink.gif

AND IMO, where everyone is being mislead about the H80i in his review [screenshot showing it at 25c+ behind all others] is because he doesn't make it CLEAR that he is running a single fan only in a Pull config ... NOT to H80i specs! That's the only explanation for the poor results? ... Additionally with the thickness of the H80i rad he'd pick up several degrees if he would reverse just the single fan and run it in Push even if it's still out of spec with only 1 fan. And I won't go into detail why I have issue's with his clammering for Pull only setups because he runs his setups as "Intake" only which many of us do not biggrin.gif
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Both are the stock Corsair fans which I believe are 4 pin. The same fan is acting up. I'll try the fans on the motherboard header to see how they react.

It sounds like you have a bad PWM control line on your fan. It's a fairly unusual problem. It sort of sucks that you might have to deal with an RMA over just a faulty fan.
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i am using my h110 as push and pull here is the IBT test result 4.8mhz set to 1.310v from bios but when i check cpuz it says 1.320v
what you think :Should i pull and pull or push and push? 4.8 1.310.jpg 732k .jpg file

I'm not quite getting your terminology.

You are using four fans on your H110 in push/pull, and you have it set to intake? If that's what you're saying, then I think your setup is fine.

If you are using two fans, personally I would set them as intake if I were using them in the same spot you are, and I would personally mount them under the rad so they are pulling air into the case but pushing it through the rad.

I can't seem to locate the picture you posted. Maybe you could post it again (just click the picture icon at the top of the editor)? Your temps looks fine to me.
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If you are worried, go with a H100i or a small custom loop, because the H110 uses a 280mm Rad which is not supported by a lot of cases because it's wider. However, I am moving from a H100i because the pump has started to whine and vibrate. The unit is also starting to under perform. But never the less, the H100i has been great until now and I'm sure the issue is only with my unit and not a global issue. thumb.gif

Edit: However, yeah the H100i can perform up to 20c better than the H80i and the H110 can be up to 6c better than the H100i. Plus, if you use very good fans on the H110, it will widen the gap even more between the H100i and the H110.

Hey, could you link me to where it says the H100i will perform up to 20c better than the H80? Because I think you're about 17c out of whack there. All the reviews I've read have shown those two coolers to perform very closely. Just remember that any comparisons between the two coolers have to use the same fans or they are invalid. Even the original H80 and H100 would perform between 3 and 5c of each other. I wouldn't trust any test that found a 20c difference.

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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Beautiful job, especially for your 1st build thumb.gif
2nd pic = definition of a dominating "desktop" LoL redface.gif ...
Also time to fill in your system specs ... see my signature wink.gif

I like your final OC numbers/settings for 24/7 @4.9. You have a pretty nice chip there even with your somewhat high ambients your #'s are respectable. Maybe still a bit on the "Hot" side for me, but that's me. I know it's tough to give up that enviable 5.0 24/7 OC moniker, but now your IB and especially your mobo will live a much longer and happier life. On the other side Kizwan is right if you want to go for "Mad Clocking" you could push the Intel spec sheet, something I use to do all the time. I just thought we should lean more to the cautious side since this is your 1st beautiful new build! And honestly I never cut a CPU's life short by my standards (5+ years) but I know for a fact I shortened a few motherboards lives once I got out of custom loops and custom motherboard cooling blocks. And if your not de-liding and and down the road still want to push Intel spec, I highly recommend you get Intel's Performance Tuning Protection Plan.. ... See HERE ... Edit: ooops nevermind doesn't look like they still offer this for Ivy Bridge, at least I couldn't find it right away, maybe make a new post in Intel CPU's and see if any OCN user's could confirm or update that great program they had with Sandy Bridge/ SB-E rolleyes.gif
Sorry Bradley I've got to step in here and call nonsense that an H100i will outperform an H80i by 20c degrees. Not even close, more like 3c-4c at most depending on set-up and overclock. Real world results here @ OCN and reviews suggest more equally comparable performance ... see HERE Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
It will be fun and informative to see your head to head results (screenies please) comparing your H100i to your new H110 thumb.gif see HERE post 22784 for detailed reporting/examples wink.gif


Agree 100%.
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Well yeah, I'm glad you stepped in because it also seems very odd to me as well, and this is what I was trying to say. This information was found on a Linus Tech Tips video. All his results just seem way off to me in just about every cooler review I've seen NCIX do. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
For example, they had a 3960X or something like that at "around" 4.6Ghz
In prime95, they said the H100i scored 71c and the Tt Water 2.0 Extreme scored about 66c.
On this basis, I purchased both coolers and tested.
My results were as followed:
3930K @ 4.4Ghz, 1.35v
Tt water 2.0 Extreme = Fail, TJMax of 91c met.
H100i = 87c
Second H100i purchased and tested = 86c.
I even replaced my CPU for another 3930K and I tried all different thermal pastes and airflows/cases/open benches/NF F12's/ NF's in P/P, low rpm/high rpm and so on! I even matched their ambient to 17c!
I spent about £1,000 on coolers and other stuff to replicate their testing environment and I could not match it, even despite giving myself the advantages on open bench and push/pull.
They made a mistake with the H220 testing and they made a false claim about a certain keyboard using fake cherry MX keys. So I would not be surprised if they have made a LOT more mistakes.
I like their channel and reviews, but I have become very suspicious now.....

Look at this crap: Skip to 5:06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWQGmX994fU

Edit:
I also forgot, I tested the H220 the same they tested. I hit 78c and i expected a score of 60c based on their testing.

Also, I will compare the H100i with the H110 for you all wink.gif


Thanks for clearing that up. Personally I recommend reading several reviews and comparisons specifically for this reason. You can usually get a great feel for how a cooler functions when you read multiple reviews, and it's a lot easier to pick out the bad reviews that are obviously in error when compared to multiple others.

For anyone trying to decide between an H80i or H100i, I've always said to choose the one that fits in your case the best unless you need every degree of cooling. The H100i will perform a little better, but both coolers are so close that if the H80i fits your case much better, then go ahead and use it. For a few more dollars, if the H100i will fit nicely in your case, then go for it. They're both great coolers.


If anyone is interested, here's an interesting site for specs for Intel CPUs:

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/core/CoreTechnicalResources.html
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Just put a H110 in my case today. had to get rid of the 180mm fans on the bottom to fit it in but that is ok. Before with my Antec 620 at 5ghz I was seeing temps as high as 86c and with this cooler the highest spike was 77 at 1.43v which is a little more than the 1.42v I ran with the old cooler. I ran Aida64 and the avg temps across all cores on a short 11min run was 63c and temp in the room was around 26-28c. Idle temps are about 28-33. 4.7ghz at 1.375vcore I saw an average temp of 56c with a peak of 67c. Do these results seem about right? I was thinking about getting better Thermal paste but not sure if it would help much or which one to get. I thought maybe IC diamond?
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Beautiful job, especially for your 1st build thumb.gif
2nd pic = definition of a dominating "desktop" LoL redface.gif ...
Also time to fill in your system specs ... see my signature wink.gif

I like your final OC numbers/settings for 24/7 @4.9. You have a pretty nice chip there even with your somewhat high ambients your #'s are respectable. Maybe still a bit on the "Hot" side for me, but that's me. I know it's tough to give up that enviable 5.0 24/7 OC moniker, but now your IB and especially your mobo will live a much longer and happier life. On the other side Kizwan is right if you want to go for "Mad Clocking" you could push the Intel spec sheet, something I use to do all the time. I just thought we should lean more to the cautious side since this is your 1st beautiful new build! And honestly I never cut a CPU's life short by my standards (5+ years) but I know for a fact I shortened a few motherboards lives once I got out of custom loops and custom motherboard cooling blocks. And if your not de-liding and and down the road still want to push Intel spec, I highly recommend you get Intel's Performance Tuning Protection Plan.. ... See HERE ... Edit: ooops nevermind doesn't look like they still offer this for Ivy Bridge, at least I couldn't find it right away, maybe make a new post in Intel CPU's and see if any OCN user's could confirm or update that great program they had with Sandy Bridge/ SB-E rolleyes.gif
Sorry Bradley I've got to step in here and call nonsense that an H100i will outperform an H80i by 20c degrees. Not even close, more like 3c-4c at most depending on set-up and overclock. Real world results here @ OCN and reviews suggest more equally comparable performance ... see HERE

It will be fun and informative to see your head to head results (screenies please) comparing your H100i to your new H110 thumb.gif see HERE post 22784 for detailed reporting/examples wink.gif

Thanks for the compliment specially the "2nd pic = definition of a dominating "desktop" LoL redface.gif ... "... I cant argue with that....lol.cheers.gif

Also thanks for giving the link how to fill up the signature...believe it or not, I'm struggling how to put signature since I joined OCN...buttkick.gif
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Just put a H110 in my case today. had to get rid of the 180mm fans on the bottom to fit it in but that is ok. Before with my Antec 620 at 5ghz I was seeing temps as high as 86c and with this cooler the highest spike was 77 at 1.43v which is a little more than the 1.42v I ran with the old cooler. I ran Aida64 and the avg temps across all cores on a short 11min run was 63c and temp in the room was around 26-28c. Idle temps are about 28-33. 4.7ghz at 1.375vcore I saw an average temp of 56c with a peak of 67c. Do these results seem about right? I was thinking about getting better Thermal paste but not sure if it would help much or which one to get. I thought maybe IC diamond?
77C @5GHz in 28C ambient/room temperature look reasonable to me. Is that with Prime95 or IBT? IC Diamond is a good thermal paste, you may reduced temp a couple degrees. The stock thermal paste on Corsair Hydro series are very good though. No need to change thermal paste, IMO.
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