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I'm getting another 320mb G80 8800GS that I'm trying to repair and OVP mod and if I get that done I have a pretty crazy idea that I think will work. I'll post pics later depicting what Im thinking but pretty much this is what I've concluded.

The 320mb 8800GS has space for 2 more memory chips. There are balls of solder on the pads where these chips would go. On the back of the PCB there are only around 6 SMRs that would need to be added to activate the use of those memory location.

Pretty much how could I go about reflowing the Samsung memory chips off my old dead card to my new card. I tried prying them off and this ruins the solder pads on those cards. I tried it with a razor blade: same thing. I don't know anyone with a reflow kit or whatever so I doubt that is an option. Could I possibly bake my old card in the over and get it at a temp where the solder should melt and take the memory chips off this way? Then, what would be the best way about reapplying it, just putting it on so the bad line up and use some adhesive along the edges?

could this even work in theory?
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I have wondered..but never attempted. You would need a hot-knife to get the IC's off..I have no idea how you would ever get them soldered onto the new PCB though..oven?

Let me know if you want a dead GPU with lots of RAM..my GTX has only 1x blown RAM chip..all the rest are good.
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Heatgun or infrared lamp would probably work the best. Oven might work.

Anyway, unsoldering is east compared to attaching the new memory ICs. The level of precision needed for the latter is pretty high and might be difficult to do by hand.

Also, I'm not convinced the extra memory would show up, even if you attached the chips correctly. That section of the memory controller could very well be disabled.
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CL3 what memory chip in the sequence is it because I'm guessing by removing SMRs you could remove that chip from the sequence (and most likely the chips that come after it too because it seems they kind of run in a circuit), this would require the removal of a bunch of SMRs and possibly swapping the bios out with another say, 256mb version so the card doesn't try to recognize that memory

as far as replacing a memory chip goes I believe that will be easier. Monday I'll go to radioshack and see if they have any blowers I could use, also i'll try throwing my dead card in the oven to see if I can get the chips removed with their solder pads intact

after looking at this it seems that it would require that over 20-30 additional SMRs be soldered to potentially activate a chip that otherwise wouldnt be there, but as blameless states, the hardware (and software as well, i.e. bios) might not be ready for the addition of memory,

still it might be worth a shot as a last ditch mod after running the card through various benchys, Im pretty sure you can simply recreate the SMR sequence on and near the other memory chips to essentially complete the memory circuit, because these trace patchs essentially lead to nothing.

if I can get these two intact chips that i have on this card removed I will be more than happy to take that card off your hands. I don't know what you want for it Cl3p20 but I would surely pay for shipping, let me know and I'll keep everyone posted on this little experiment

So first thing first I'll take baby steps to get this IC removed before I try anything else
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I tried removing the SMR's connecting the burnt IC..no dice..I think the MCH is locking the GPU from starting or something..not sure exactly, but the GPU will not boot..and there is no voltage going to the burnt IC anymore..
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well so much for that idea, too bad I didnt study electrical engineering and computers in school instead of business :/ . I guess trying to replace a burnt IC or memory chip is the way to go instead, too many SMRs and traces to keep track of without a blueprint, and too complicared still with a blueprint

I'll stick to reading tutorials and datasheets for now
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People added memory to XBOX HUEG's, but they had the contact points on the outside of the memory IC, so all you had to do was match up the contact points.
    
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Sorry pal but i dont think it will work...Even if u are lucky and the gpu isnt locked but the slots are only unused there is NO WAY u can attach the RAM by yourself...This is done roboticaly!!!And with infrared or some other way of heating up the chip and pcb...Very quick and precise operation not capable of human hands...
What JK says would be faaaaar closer to reality!Try it!
    
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What is proposed here is NOT impossible, as theo.gr foolishly declared, though it certainly would require a bit of patience, ability to learn, attention to detail, and a few tools (like an appropriate skillet or toaster oven). Do a Google search for "reflow", perhaps something more specific like "reflow repair" or "reflow -html -fund" (to weed out the spurious hits about Web and financial uses of the word). If you're not ignorant or misinformed like theo.gr, you'll know that SMD and BGA packages will actually be DRAWN to the correct location on the PCB during the reflow process, if they're just a little bit off; positioning is important, but it's not rocket science and DOES NOT have to be precise down to a fraction of a millimeter (it's the surface tension of the molten solder that does the trick). There are YouTube videos showing the process in simple kitchen skillets and toaster ovens.
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What is proposed here is NOT impossible, as theo.gr foolishly declared, though it certainly would require a bit of patience, ability to learn, attention to detail, and a few tools (like an appropriate skillet or toaster oven). Do a Google search for "reflow", perhaps something more specific like "reflow repair" or "reflow -html -fund" (to weed out the spurious hits about Web and financial uses of the word). If you're not ignorant or misinformed like theo.gr, you'll know that SMD and BGA packages will actually be DRAWN to the correct location on the PCB during the reflow process, if they're just a little bit off; positioning is important, but it's not rocket science and DOES NOT have to be precise down to a fraction of a millimeter (it's the surface tension of the molten solder that does the trick). There are YouTube videos showing the process in simple kitchen skillets and toaster ovens.
Im not trying to dispute your claim but it would be in your best interest to back up your debate with links or some sort of proof to back up your statement. A credible source speaks for itself.
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