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Ah, you're speaking in a legal sense. That I know less about. What gives you the idea that it isn't very serious in Canadian law?
its been in the news a bunch of times... it is different than the US, but i cant remember specifics, google it.
    
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The difference being that sex is legal, but digitally transmitting copyrighted information isn't. The fact that it depends on how the prostitution operation is run shows that the middleman argument is flawed.

When I download a torrent (and I do), I'm not doing it to express my freedom of speech. I do it because I want the files that it makes available. Dress it up however you want. I preview albums, and then give a list of albums that I want for Christmas. After Christmas, I spend my gift certificates buying albums and games. The system works. But it's still piracy.

I admit that I download games. Sometimes it leads to purchases (Fallout 3), and sometimes it doesn't (Dead Space). My downloading of games is directly correlated to the demise of the demo system. Left 4 Dead 2 had a demo. I own Left 4 Dead 2 because I was able to play the demo and realise that the new additions were fun. I wouldn't have bought it otherwise.

I support torrents, but I don't try and pretend that they aren't illegal.
I am not insulting you, but that is such a SIMPLE way to look at things. Torrents themselves are not illegal any more than http traffic is illegal, even though it can be used to send child pornography across the web. If someone decides to upload copyrighted content using the bit torrent protocol then they may be breaking copyright law.

But the protocol itself doesn't make the file in question illegal. People have been pirating since the printing press was invented, they've just had better ways to go about it as time went on. You can direct download, FTP transfer, etc. etc., any copyrighted file without permission. THAT IS WHAT MAKES IT ILLEGAL! Not the protocol you used during the transfer.

So this is why I get a little upset when people say, "No spluh torrents are illegal". NO THEY AREN'T!!! Its the act of uploading and downloading copyrighted content that is illegal, no matter which protocol is used, or hell, even if you xerox and mail it!

Additionally every other medium, including search engines, are protected by the "safe harbor" provision, as are ISP's, and really torrent trackers should be too. But big content has a lot of pull in Washington so they are trying to get the gov. to do the investigation and prosecution of suspected pirates so they don't look like the bad guy or incur any of the costs.
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its been in the news a bunch of times... it is different than the US, but i cant remember specifics, google it.
The RCMP doesn't pursue "digital piracy" because they said theres no way to get them all or something. Its in wikipedia.
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hello from canada.

a while back (couple of years now) i think was ruled in the supreme court that media sharing is legal in canada.

i think they used the analogy of putting photocopiers in libraries.
it cooooullllld be used for legitimately photocopying your notes.
but
most of the time, it's just used to photocopy pages from books.


P.S.
we also pay a media sales tax for blank media.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank_media_tax#Canada

money that's supposed to offset piracy.
so yeah, they already charged me for it.
so...... yeah.... i'm not going to get charged for something and not get my money's worth.

so yes, in a nut shell, it's a whooole different ball game up here.
if our minority government (national) and weak legged (provincial) government want to piss me off, go right ahead.
they're already skating on thin ice and they know it.
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File-sharing music is legal in Canada, software, non-musical recordings, etc are not.
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If isoHunt is taking down files when requested, I think this will at least result in them being mandated to police the content available themselves to a certain extent. Looking at isoHunt's top searches it does not look difficult to obtain whatever you want There is something called 'negligence' that can enter into the equation.

Example: Let's say you live in an apartment building with underground parking that is poorly secured. Daily, cars are being broken in to. Your rental company refuses to put up secured doors, cameras, better lighting, anything. You still have grounds to legally take action because the rental company is being negligent to a real problem.

Likewise, I think any of the major media corporations could go after isoHunt for negligence, given the site is more popular for nonlegal purposes.

To further extend the point, if you owned an abandoned building that squatters and drug dealers were using to conduct business and use drugs, do you think the local government would consider you at no fault if this was a persisting issue for years and years?

Lastly, remember when Craigslist had an "erotic services" section?
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