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nVidia's dead in the water. Nothing exists about Fermi, and GPU-CPU combos are the future. Unless nVidia can get a good x86 processor out, they will go bust within 5 years. And you can quote me on that.
5 years is more than enough for Nvidia to come back and make up for their late entry into DX11.
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5 years is more than enough for Nvidia to come back and make up for their late entry into DX11.
Not that, but when GPUs are integrated onto CPUs with decent power ala Fusion and Laribee, nVidia will not have a leg to stand on. They might have a niche market for dedicated GPUS, but they will become essentially what Matrox is today.
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It would be funny if I got an ATI 5500 just to purely bench it against my old GeForce 5500.
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Not that, but when GPUs are integrated onto CPUs with decent power ala Fusion and Laribee, nVidia will not have a leg to stand on.
Discrete GPUs will still be a large source of revenue, though...so Nvidia will be fine. The GPUs that are integrated into Fusion and future Intel CPUs are weak at best compared to the discrete graphics cards. (Supposedly Intel will integrate Larrabee into its CPUs down the road, but we still don't know how Larrabee will perform)
    
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Discrete GPUs will still be a large source of revenue, though...so Nvidia will be fine. The GPUs that are integrated into Fusion and future Intel CPUs are weak at best compared to the discrete graphics cards. (Supposedly Intel will integrate Larrabee into its CPUs down the road, but we still don't know how Larrabee will perform)
For now they are OK, but dedicated card support is going down. People are buying laptops, and desktops for normal use. Low and Medium end Gaming will easily handled by a Fusion processor. The CPU is quickly going from the "Central Processing Unit" to "Mediator between input and the GPU". Simply put, the CPU's importance is going down, and the GPU is going up. Instead of having 2 separate units, combining them will bring costs down, and bring efficiency up, and nVidia does not have a CPU to couple with a GPU. AMD isn't going to partner with nVidia, neither is Intel. So they have 3 options:
1. Sit around using gimmicks like Matrox and market towards enthusiast gamers and processing farms.
2. Work out a deal of some sort with VIA and use their x86 license
3. Make their own x86 CPU.

Like it or not, nVidia revenue will go down with option 1, and the their quality will too. Less money = less money for R&D. Fermi may kick ATi's ass, but long term of nVidia is still in question. I don't doubt nVidia's GPUs or their current products, I doubt they have future, and that's really unfortunate for us at OCN.

tl;dr: Look forward 10 years, not 1.
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What makes you think that Nvidia won't be able to keep up with the market in 10 years?
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Hmm, since the R800 was basically a double R700 (same architecture), that means you could say this is a 40nm R700 with DX11 and slower, lower bus memory.
-I don't think that's an entirely fair assessment. Yes, the basic architecture in the core remained largely unchanged in terms of order of execution, but fundamental changes had to happen in order to add DX11 functionality (Hardware Tessellator, expanded interoperability between SIMD cores, larger Cache etc.).

Anyhow, both ATI and Nvidia have introduced minor changes and have only evolved their core arch from the 2900/8800 days to now. The GTX200 core, for example, is simply the 8800's core on steroids without even the added functionality of a new DX generation (as ATI's 4xxx series was to their own 3xxx series).


Additionally "slower, lower bus memory". Eh?
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A model with different memory capacity is a different card?

Jeez, a 4670 512MB and a 4670 1GB is still a 4670 >.>
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Serious question

How long will it take NV to compete across all price points?
ATI will have their entire DX11 lineup out before NV has one.
To fill all price points? At break neck speeds maybe June or July. It will probably be all rebranded G92 crap again for anything that isn't high end.
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Hmm...Nvidia is going to struggle this year just trying to keep up.
    
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