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You do know Wiki have so much lies?
They don't show speed in a Windows environment (Mebi, Gibi Byte/bits)

Take this for instance.
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Unlike DVD+RW discs, DVD+R discs can only be written to once.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD%2BR
Wikifailia is NOT to be trusted blindly.

Everyone can edit the page as they see fit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address#IP_versions
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Two version of the Internet Protocol
Two versions of the Internet Protocol
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You do know Wiki have so much lies?
They don't show speed in a Windows environment (Mebi, Gibi Byte/bits)

Take this for instance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD%2BR
Wikifailia is NOT to be trusted blindly.

Everyone can edit the page as they see fit.
Did you know the African Elephant population has tripled in the past six months?
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Did you know the African Elephant population has tripled in the past six months?
Who said that?
Girls at the street that you overheard when they where shopping?
Wikifailia?
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Who said that?
Girls at the street that you overheard when they where shopping?
Wikifailia?
Or real facts?
Well, it NOW says it on Wikipedia lol. Also I added that "Mayonnaise" is otherwise known as "baby chicken spread" in the Appalachian Mountain region.

But seriously, that was the only place I could find what I was talking about, and a bunch of people that get aroused from benching hard drives told me this was correct lol. IDK if it is or not, but thats what I've been told from people I trust.
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3Gbps = 300MBps bandwidth but about 260MBps throughput
I'm not coming off as a D, just hear me out. 3Gbps is 3Gigabits per second. The prefix Giga meaning 1,000,000,000 or 1 billion. 3 Billion bits per second. No more, no less.

8 bits = 1 byte

3 billion bits = 375,000,000 bytes. No more, no less.

SATA overhead is a different matter, and while I may have been generalizing, the math doesn't generalize. After this 8/10b encoding overhead, throughput is about 300MB/s. I am no expert in how the SATA specification works, but the actual math of Gbps is correct.

Even then 300MB/s is still at the very most 2x faster than standard mechanical SATA hard drive. SAS's specification is already 6Gbps because the large 15k mechanical drives can reach great speeds.

I just don't see a point for consumer mechanical hard drives to be using this, other than making money off of consumers that read big numbers = better.
 
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I'm not coming off as a D, just hear me out. 3Gbps is 3Gigabits per second. The prefix Giga meaning 1,000,000,000 or 1 billion. 3 Billion bits per second. No more, no less.

8 bits = 1 byte

3 billion bits = 375,000,000 bytes. No more, no less.

SATA overhead is a different matter, and while I may have been generalizing, the math doesn't generalize. After this 8/10b encoding overhead, throughput is about 300MB/s. I am no expert in how the SATA specification works, but the actual math of Gbps is correct.

Even then 300MB/s is still at the very most 2x faster than standard mechanical SATA hard drive. SAS's specification is already 6Gbps because the large 15k mechanical drives can reach great speeds.

I just don't see a point for consumer mechanical hard drives to be using this, other than making money off of consumers that read big numbers = better.
It is essentially pointless, people are just going to want their HD's to have the latest interface. Technically SATA I with 150MBps is almost fast enough for any HD. SATA 6Gbps will be necessary for SSD's though.
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It is essentially pointless, people are just going to want their HD's to have the latest interface. Technically SATA I with 150MBps is almost fast enough for any HD. SATA 6Gbps will be necessary for SSD's though.
Exactly. Reasoning that SSD's are approaching the 3Gbps barrier is reason enough to go to 6Gbps, but for mechanical hard drives it's not reasonable. Maybe it will drive the price down on SATA II drives because people won't want outdated technology. That's when I buy up all the 2TB drives!
 
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Exactly. Reasoning that SSD's are approaching the 3Gbps barrier is reason enough to go to 6Gbps, but for mechanical hard drives it's not reasonable. Maybe it will drive the price down on SATA II drives because people won't want outdated technology. That's when I buy up all the 2TB drives!
The reason I was pointing out the SATA overhead thing was mainly because if the max real throughput is ~260MBps and hard drives are hitting 160MBps, they are much closer to maxing out throughput percentage wise than if the max was 375MBps. More of a technicality really. I could see drives maxing out SATA II once the platters are over 1TB, but that will probably be a couple more years.
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The reason I was pointing out the SATA overhead thing was mainly because if the max real throughput is ~260MBps and hard drives are hitting 160MBps, they are much closer to maxing out throughput percentage wise than if the max was 375MBps. More of a technicality really. I could see drives maxing out SATA II once the platters are over 1TB, but that will probably be a couple more years.
The throughput is about 300MB/s after the 8/10b while the total available bandwidth is 375MB/s if you read the post I made with the math. The quickest consumer drives on the market are the 7200.12's and the F3's. And like I said, even the quickest drives are at the most 1/2 way there.

Like I said, I hope SATA II's will then come down in price, so I can buy in bulk
 
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The throughput is about 300MB/s after the 8/10b while the total available bandwidth is 375MB/s if you read the post I made with the math. The quickest consumer drives on the market are the 7200.12's and the F3's. And like I said, even the quickest drives are at the most 1/2 way there.

Like I said, I hope SATA II's will then come down in price, so I can buy in bulk
I read it, I was just saying that even though throughput max is 300MB/s real throughput (at least on ICH10R) maxes out at around 260MB/s per drive. This makes 160MB/s 61% of max real throughput. When the % is calculated with the 375MB/s max number, the % of throughput the fastest drive uses down to 42%. Almost a 20% difference. It doesn't change your point about this particular drive not needing SATA6, it just means that we are closer to actually needing SATA6 for hard disks than the 375MBps figure suggests.
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