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Hi everyone,

I've been thinking of making the switch to water, yet I'm having difficulties justifying it for my current sig system. Lowering temps won't allow me to OC any further, and although the noise reduction would be well-welcomed it does not bother me too much at this point in time.

So I'm thinking about going water soon as an investment for future systems (i7/i9) and also for the fun/excitement of trying something new. I'm tempted to go i7 now, but I'm waiting for x58 boards with lucid hydra and sata III. Being a bit of a noob when it comes to wc'ing, I was hoping someone could answer my questions!

- how long does a well-maintained water setup tend to last?
- how comon is it for popular cpu blocks of an older chipset generation to recieve backplate upgrades for a new chipset? (i.e. from P45 to X58)
- are there likely to be any complications between newer water blocks and older wc setups? i.e. components clashing, or being inappropriate for each other (flow rate, pump, tubing) in case I wish to ugprade in future?
- do maintained water loops degrade over time, and if so, how significant would it be?

In other words, if I were to buy a single loop setup to cool my current CPU (phenom II) with the intention to cool a future upgrade, even if it were a few years from now, would this be viable? If it helps, the idea I'm currently running with is:

- Corsair obsidian (my friend just bought it, and I fell in love with it)
- EK supreme HF/Swiftech Apogee XT (HK's are too hard to obtain here)
- XSPC RX360/PA 140.3
- XSPC Laing DDC BayRes One
- Swiftech MCP655 12V Pump
- Tygon Tubing
- No clue on biocide or fittings yet

Any advice/insight is appreciated!
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Thats 55% of the reason I went with water. I wouldn't need to buy another CPU cooler again for awhile(CPU block maybe).

Looks good, but that Bay res would go with the Swiftech 355 and not the 655.
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If you buy that setup, you could always use it in another build, just need to get a new cpu water block
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Many times the hole configuration will change from socket to socket but either you just replace the cpu block, hope that the holes line up, hope that the cpu block manufacturer makes a new top plate to swap your old block to the new socket layout, or make your own top plate or hold down mechanism to use the old block.

Then sell the old block to recoup some of the cost.
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Personally, I think you should wait for when you actually get your new computer for a few reasons, especially if it might be a year or two from now:

1. If you had stock cooling on your Phenom, then I might say go for it. That Megahalem though is a great cooler and as you said switching to water will not help your current rig.

2. Intel is switching over to the 32nm manufacturing process. This means new chips are going to generate a lot less heat. Check this article. So an expensive water cooling setup may not be necessary as you'll probably reach the limitations on the chip before heat becomes a factor. I'm not saying not to go water when you upgrade but spending the $300-$400 on a loop just might not be worth it.

3. Also the i7 930 is going to be coming out to replace the 920, and it might be a 32nm chip. If it is, it will be an overclocking beast, can't wait .

So basically, considering these factors, I would wait for these new chips and see what kind of results people are getting with them on air and water. Who knows though, if that 650 chip went to 4.7 on air but would be able to go too 5.5 on water, then I would definitely go water. If 4.7 is the highest it will go no matter what, then water would be kind of pointless in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Vermillion View Post
Thats 55% of the reason I went with water. I wouldn't need to buy another CPU cooler again for awhile(CPU block maybe).

Looks good, but that Bay res would go with the Swiftech 355 and not the 655.
That's partially the reason why I'm deciding to go with water, in the hopes that I won't have too worry much about cooling in the future. Could you elaborate on the pump choice though? Once again I'm new to wc'ing, thanks!

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Originally Posted by MADMAX22 View Post
Many times the hole configuration will change from socket to socket but either you just replace the cpu block, hope that the holes line up, hope that the cpu block manufacturer makes a new top plate to swap your old block to the new socket layout, or make your own top plate or hold down mechanism to use the old block.

Then sell the old block to recoup some of the cost.
Makes sense, I thought it'd be something like this. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by xXLinkageXx View Post
Personally, I think you should wait for when you actually get your new computer for a few reasons, especially if it might be a year or two from now:

1. If you had stock cooling on your Phenom, then I might say go for it. That Megahalem though is a great cooler and as you said switching to water will not help your current rig.

2. Intel is switching over to the 32nm manufacturing process. This means new chips are going to generate a lot less heat. Check this article. So an expensive water cooling setup may not be necessary as you'll probably reach the limitations on the chip before heat becomes a factor. I'm not saying not to go water when you upgrade but spending the $300-$400 on a loop just might not be worth it.

3. Also the i7 930 is going to be coming out to replace the 920, and it might be a 32nm chip. If it is, it will be an overclocking beast, can't wait .

So basically, considering these factors, I would wait for these new chips and see what kind of results people are getting with them on air and water. Who knows though, if that 650 chip went to 4.7 on air but would be able to go too 5.5 on water, then I would definitely go water. If 4.7 is the highest it will go no matter what, then water would be kind of pointless in my opinion.
Wow, great response Really appreciated! I had heard about the 32nm change, and how potentially air will be all that is required for maximum oc's. I believe I even commented on a similar article posted here in the news section. As silly as it sounds, that's also partially why I wish to go for wc'ing however - if the day comes (unlikely) where wc'ing isn't needed anymore, I'd hate to have say I never got to experience it.

The i7 930 is new to me though

Very useful links, and some good food for thought. I know I should wait, but I just can't bring myself to buy a new mobo when I know that hydra is coming soon, with sata III as well :/

So the consensus is that water is not worth it as an investment? I guess I would benefit from the reduction in noise on my current system, but it only annoys me while sleeping (in which case I usually turn it off).

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About the pump res issue. It only fits a MCP355 or MCP350 pump (These are just re-branded Laing DDC pumps btw). You take the original top off the pump, and it mounts directly to the res underneath. I have that exact res in my loop, it is built like a tank to say the least. Check out the links in my sig. I give a recommendation for a very nice $200 loop.

EDIT:
Also as far as if it is or isn't worth the investment isn't so clear cut. As long as you use distilled water in your loop and clean it every 6 months, the components should last you a very long time. Also the Swiftech Apogee XT comes ready to fit on AMD sockets and all the latest Intel sockets (771, 775, 1156, 1366) so you won't have to worry about getting new mounting brackets for a long time. One thing I definitely love about my setup is that it is whisper quiet, which to some makes it worth it going by that alone.
Edited by xXLinkageXx - 12/14/09 at 5:55am
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