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I'd love to see what you can do with this thing. I'm deeply interested
Maybe then it'll be worth much more than the higher end air coolers out there!

Definitely gonna be watching what goes down in this thread.
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post #22 of 57
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People aren't doubting it. It's just that the H50 isn't all that amazing of a performer to begin with, and you wouldn't see much benefit upgrading it. For the amount you need to spend to make the upgrade worthwhile, you could put together a cheap used loop that could perform better.
The H50 is alright, depends on what CPU you are trying to cool. just dont expect it to get good "Acceptable" water temps on an i7 at 4.2Ghz-4.4 Ghz as Kevingreenbmx could tell you.

And yes on the part about putting a use loop together. Someone was just selling a full loop for 80$ I think, it may even still be up for sale.
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post #23 of 57
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Well, to start with, the H50 is powered by a Asetek LCLC (low cost luiqid cooler), its used in several different products.

The Corsair H50, the NorthQ Siberian Tiger 3570 and 3590 and in high end HP prebuilt PC's (HP Blackbird 002) and other OEM uses.

If you look up the NorthQ Siberian Tiger 3590, you will find it uses the Same Asetek LCLC as the H50 and has a 2X120 Radiator. Its said to cool a i7 at 4.0GHz 3-5'c better than the 1X120 version, proving the pump will do the job.

Also take a look at the Asetek site for an idea of other things the do with the LCLC.
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From the Asetek site.
Thats some good info to start with. I'd love to see this project take off. Dutch, I say go for it!
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post #24 of 57
I'm all for tinkering with what you have to make it better...

But, if your goal is specifically to achieve high performance numbers, a 'real' loop is a better choice.

I have my loop because I love the engineering behind it, the temps are just a side benefit, so I understand what you're trying to do. However, the time and effort (I'm not sure what your personal $/hr value is) required to do this may just be too high.

If you're going to spend 60$ on an MCR220R (I'm assuming that's the radiator with internal res you're talking about) then another 10-15$ on fittings/hoses/anti-corrosive items, then you're more than halfway to a used custom loop. To top it off, you have no idea about what kind of numbers you'll see out of the investment. Why not sell the H50, and spend a little more to get proven performance?

Just my .02. I'm all for the project, if you decide to do it make sure to post lots of pics and performance numbers!
    
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post #25 of 57
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LOL, What do you call it?? Even you are, maybe in not so many words


Theirs a club here with over 60 members/owners that would disagree with that statement.


Thats your opinion, based on...Nothing but theory from someone who doesn't even own one...


I completely disagree, and the fact that I only spent $54 on the unit to begin with, I have a little more leeway before I even get close to your cheapest simple loop set-up.




Dutch
I never said it was a bad performer. It just can't compare against even a cheap water cooling loop, or even a high end air cooler. It's a great little cooler, especially with its size and flexibility, but only performs around the same as a middle-high end air cooler like the Dark Knight or Mugen 2.

You'd be surprised how little a decent used loop costs. You can easily build one for ~90, even less if you watch the FS section closely. I know that someone is selling a BIX 240 w/ 2 Panaflos and a Dtek Fuzion right now for $80. All you need is some tubing, a T, and a cheap pump like a CPX Pro. And that's nothing compared to a few other deals I've seen pass through here. And it'll absolutely blow the H50 away.

If you want to upgrade it, then go for it. It'll be a great little performer, but still, if you hunt long enough, then you can find some awesome deals, sell your H50, and build yourself a nice cheap loop for only a little more.
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H50 performance is fine
idle 40C load 68C room: 20C
with an I7 @ 4,2Ghz HT on

but last summer my room temps were like 35C during a few days so that was just too much for it ( i had to underclock it to 3,8 or my temps would have been like 85C !!)

and about the pump being able to cool 4 plates:
it's just a question of pressure... i don't think its so hard to do that
what's more important is the speed of that water (liters or gallons per minute)

would adding more voltage to the pump help? just like the fans?
i'm sure its possible, but the pump might die sooner than expected...
    
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Good luck Dutch! My cpu is mostly at 37*C-40*c, but it's a shame I don't know how to OC...yet
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post #28 of 57
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May plans are to eventually have a dual loop. One 2x120 for the CPU and the other loop 2x120 would be for the VGA. So why not purchase one of the 2x120 rad now, and using/experimenting with it for and upgrade for the H50. If it works out well as a considerable performance upgrade, then great...If its a flop, I have one less part to purchase for my WC setup.

Of course this depends if I can use an standard rad, apposed to a rad/res combo...

The Rad/Res Combo Swiftech MCR220, has a "Self purging plenum chamber design", which I'm not sure how necessary/effective it is...


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It just can't compare against a high end air cooler. It's a great little cooler, especially with its size and flexibility, but only performs around the same as a middle-high end air cooler like the Dark Knight or Mugen 2.
With the negativity even in your SN, you quote a lot of "FACT" based opinions
I can't say for certain (because I didn't perform the tests) but the last bench test I saw pertaining to the H50 is:
Megahalem vs H50 where the Mega and the H50 exchange blows...
Ok, thats the last time I comment on your back and forth contradicting comments



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post #29 of 57
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May plans are to eventually have a dual loop. One 2x120 for the CPU and the other loop 2x120 would be for the VGA. So why not purchase one of the 2x120 rad now, and using/experimenting with it for and upgrade for the H50. If it works out well as a considerable performance upgrade, then great...If its a flop, I have one less part to purchase for my WC setup.

Of course this depends if I can use an standard rad, apposed to a rad/res combo...

The Rad/Res Combo Swiftech MCR220, has a "Self purging plenum chamber design", which I'm not sure how necessary/effective it is...

Dutch
Most will tell you that a 240 rad is about at the limit for cooling a 920 > 4Ghz with HT on. Also, I wouldn't go with a slim rad such as a MCR220Res for an i7, something along the lines of an RX240 would be much more appropriate.

As to the MCR220Res, all the 'self purging' jib-jab is just stating that it bleeds automatically. Yes, you need this, otherwise you'll have to pipe in a t-line and fillport into the custum setup. It just saves you some complexity in the loop.

I like the idea of doing this setup with upgrades in mind, I think that's the best course of action. You get your tinkering fix, and set yourself up for future upgrades. Though I'm really not sure if the pump on the H50 will be strong enough to push through a double pass 240 rad.
    
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My motto for all case/cooling mods...

DO IT!!!!

just take pictures

I.... will keep my opinion to myself (I just saved 2cents, yes!)
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