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i know too that the top and back fans are exhaust, front and bottom are intake fans. I left it backwards because i really think that the space is not enough. My idea was to put it upwards because the hot air is in the top of the case, and would have been blown away from the case through the top vent... But the temps are good now, i5 2500k @ 4.5 on 70C on full load. Room temp around 28-29 degrees.

Thanks for the advices guys smile.gif

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Originally Posted by shampoo911 View Post

usually top fans are for exhaust...
i had one 120mm for intake, and a 200mm for exhaust... not getting the best results...
there was a mixture of hot/cold air.... and the hot air was not allowed to go out of the case because of the many intake fans i had... now im using 4 intake fans and 3 exhaust fans.. all with the same rpm (coolermaster sickleflow)

Think about it this way. You have 2 fans on the heatsink that are blowing air towards the rear exhaust, maybe even a third fan on the rear exhaust. No matter what, most of the hot air if not all the hot air from the cpu is going out the rear exhaust because 2, 3 fans have more control over air than the natural effect of hot air rising. Cold air falls, so blowing cold air from the top of the case onto the heatsink means that your blowing fresh cold air on the heatsink and since you have 2 fans on the heatsink, the hot air is just going to go out the rear.

There are a couple variables to consider, room temp, case design, and graphics card. If your sitting in a hot room say 85 F ambient, you probably arent going to get the same results as someone sitting in a basement at 60-65F ambient.

Idk right now I have a 200MM fan blowing cold air down on my Noctua and I can tell you from experience, I get better temps than if I had that fan exhausting. Its up to you whether you want the best temps or not. lol
    
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Think about it this way. You have 2 fans on the heatsink that are blowing air towards the rear exhaust, maybe even a third fan on the rear exhaust. No matter what, most of the hot air if not all the hot air from the cpu is going out the rear exhaust because 2, 3 fans have more control over air than the natural effect of hot air rising. Cold air falls, so blowing cold air from the top of the case onto the heatsink means that your blowing fresh cold air on the heatsink and since you have 2 fans on the heatsink, the hot air is just going to go out the rear.
There are a couple variables to consider, room temp, case design, and graphics card. If your sitting in a hot room say 85 F ambient, you probably arent going to get the same results as someone sitting in a basement at 60-65F ambient.
Idk right now I have a 200MM fan blowing cold air down on my Noctua and I can tell you from experience, I get better temps than if I had that fan exhausting. Its up to you whether you want the best temps or not. lol

I had to put on my hip waders for that one. More fans do not mean more control of the airflow More fans only mean there is more airblow Hot and cold air rising and falling is only true if there are no outside influences in play... and fans blowing air definitely influences where the air will go. Just look at forced air conditioning / heating systems. Most move air up, down, around, etc.

If the top of the case is mostly vent and you have cooler blowing up almost all of the hot exhaust will go out of case.

If you blow 1, 2x, 3x fans through cooler toward back 120mm vent a bunch of the hot exhaust is going to deflect off of back vent fan and stay in case. The only way to do it is to have a duct from back of cooler to rear vent taking the air out.
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Think about it this way. You have 2 fans on the heatsink that are blowing air towards the rear exhaust, maybe even a third fan on the rear exhaust. No matter what, most of the hot air if not all the hot air from the cpu is going out the rear exhaust because 2, 3 fans have more control over air than the natural effect of hot air rising. Cold air falls, so blowing cold air from the top of the case onto the heatsink means that your blowing fresh cold air on the heatsink and since you have 2 fans on the heatsink, the hot air is just going to go out the rear.
There are a couple variables to consider, room temp, case design, and graphics card. If your sitting in a hot room say 85 F ambient, you probably arent going to get the same results as someone sitting in a basement at 60-65F ambient.
Idk right now I have a 200MM fan blowing cold air down on my Noctua and I can tell you from experience, I get better temps than if I had that fan exhausting. Its up to you whether you want the best temps or not. lol

quite right my friend.... however... we are talking about the nhd14.... it is designed to cool all that s***... vrm's are included too...

and by altering the "natural" airflow of your case, you can just create a hot/cold air tornado.... positive pressure is the MOST used airflow system used on cases... THEORETICALLY, if you turn off all your exhaust fans, they should move by their own, just because of the cold air being pumped in... hot aire rises and goes out through the back and top fans....

im using a Thermaltake Armor A60, with a pair of AMD 6970 on crossfire on my Sabertooth 990FX... a pretty tight system alright... so i am pumping as much cold air as possible... i think, that is called diffusion (maybe a mechanical engineer can correct me with that)...

i know we all want the BEST temps on our system... and yes, a lot of variables have to be considered... check your exhaust fans while overloading all your components... far cry 3 is a demanding game, and puts quite a toll in my system... give it a try... and then post a screenshot with HWMonitor
     
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quite right my friend.... however... we are talking about the nhd14.... it is designed to cool all that s***... vrm's are included too...
and by altering the "natural" airflow of your case, you can just create a hot/cold air tornado.... positive pressure is the MOST used airflow system used on cases... THEORETICALLY, if you turn off all your exhaust fans, they should move by their own, just because of the cold air being pumped in... hot aire rises and goes out through the back and top fans....
im using a Thermaltake Armor A60, with a pair of AMD 6970 on crossfire on my Sabertooth 990FX... a pretty tight system alright... so i am pumping as much cold air as possible... i think, that is called diffusion (maybe a mechanical engineer can correct me with that)...
i know we all want the BEST temps on our system... and yes, a lot of variables have to be considered... check your exhaust fans while overloading all your components... far cry 3 is a demanding game, and puts quite a toll in my system... give it a try... and then post a screenshot with HWMonitor
No, with this much airflow, there is little raising of hot air. Almost all the cooling is done by forced convection from cool air. So if you want the best cooling, you would blast as much cool air in front one direction and prevent any exiting airflow being being impeded so you get perfect laminar flow.
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Air goes where you push it. Hot air rises, but the inclination is easily overcome with the weakest of fans.

 

You don't want bottom-up airflow because air that is warmed by your system components is then ingested into your D14. The D14 is a fine cooler, but it can't make things cooler than the air it has to work with.

 

Bottom-up airflow dates from the days when your motherboard needed cooling more than your cpu. The opposite is true now.

 

That said, positive pressure cases create hotspots. The best way to prevent that is to adopt positive airflow, not positive pressure. Remove your rear grill and don't put a fan there. Air will make its own way out of your case very quietly.

 

Top intake fans can bath your D14 with cool outside air. Push the motherboard and gpu air out the back with positive airflow: remove all slot covers from your backplane.

 

Also, your D14 will exhaust your case for you if you have no rear grill. See item 2 in my sig for an example.

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anyone have this big guy in a corsair 300R?

im considering this since its slightly cheaper and equivalent performance to the phantecks and H80i. and quieter than both as well as much simpler looking to install.
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anyone have this big guy in a corsair 300R?
im considering this since its slightly cheaper and equivalent performance to the phantecks and H80i. and quieter than both as well as much simpler looking to install.

I don't see why not, it's 2 cm wider than my gamma classic.

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Fits in Corsair 300r with out side panel fans.
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coolio.

then i think i plan on owning one soon once i get some lower profile ram in the mail that im trading for my vengeance ram. getting some kingston hyperX
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Yeah they work very well and on PWM control spin down to 650rpm so no noise at all

Did you modify the fans so you can use the Noctua fan clips on them? I thought you have said before that you didn't, but most other people have said that you have to modify the TY-140 to be able to use the Noctua fan clips.
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Air goes where you push it. Hot air rises, but the inclination is easily overcome with the weakest of fans.

You don't want bottom-up airflow because air that is warmed by your system components is then ingested into your D14. The D14 is a fine cooler, but it can't make things cooler than the air it has to work with.

Bottom-up airflow dates from the days when your motherboard needed cooling more than your cpu. The opposite is true now.

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Top intake fans can bath your D14 with cool outside air. Push the motherboard and gpu air out the back with positive airflow: remove all slot covers from your backplane.

Also, your D14 will exhaust your case for you if you have no rear grill. See item 2 in my sig for an example.

What set up should I have with my CoolerMaster HAF X and NH-D14?

I don't really want to cut out the rear grill or anything like that because I might sell the case later on. Currently I am just using all the stock fans in it with the two stock fans on the NH-D14.
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