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HUH, you made no sense, all data is written towards the inner part of the disk because it spins faster, its simple physics, where did you get your degree, University of kellogs corn flakes? lol

You didn't answer my question, you just made another statement that blends in with the rest. My question is not rhetorical. My question is to get people to word their claims differently.

300 GB on a 1 TB array? Why not just go with 2x 146 GB 15k drives? One 15k drive will perform better in every way than short-stroking two RAIDed 7200 drives, not be a total waste, and be cheaper.
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You didn't answer my question, you just made another statement that blends in with the rest. My question is not rhetorical. My question is to get people to word their claims differently.

Look bud, we don't care wink.gif
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Yep, we know we're not making our HDDs any faster for sequential! But we do improve access times smile.gif
And we're just making sure we use the fastest part of our drives thumb.gif
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HUH, you made no sense, all data is written towards the inner part of the disk because it spins faster, its simple physics, where did you get your degree, University of kellogs corn flakes? lol

Sure sounds like you graduated with a degree in crunch captaining.

Let me spell this out in simple terms. The disk is a ridged, solid object. The entirety of the disk moves as a single unit. The speed of the movement is determined by the force provided by the motor located in the central hub. Because the outer edge must travel farther to accomplish the same angle of rotation (and being a solid ring, the same degree of rotation per time must be maintained regardless of the position on the disk), it must therefore travel "faster" than the inner edge.

As such, the fastest part of the disk is it's outer edge.

Knowing this, computers are programmed to write first to the outer portion and work their way inward in order to maintain the maximum chance of data being located in the fastest section - and most likely the most important data as well as it is general user behavior to install important items first.

All short-stroking does is restrict the use of the drive to it;s outer portion. Since this is the natural order of drive usage anyway, it has no effect on the speed of any data until you exceed the capacity of the short-stroked drive. Since that data can't exist in a short-stroked drive, it can't be accessed any quicker than in a normal drive, and as such there is no actual increase in speed.

The only thing that is "speeding up" is the average speed, because you are removing the lower end of the spectrum. It statistically faster but in reality that is merely because you are omitting all slower results from the test.

At the end of the day, the only thing you accomplish by short stroking is reducing the capacity of a hard drive. To an uneducated user, the overall speed may seem to have increased, but that is only because the act of short-stroking is forcing proper drive organization on the user rather than leaving that to the user's own volition. The same effects can be achieved without sacrificing any volume space whatsoever, by proper use of partitioning.
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Yep, we know we're not making our HDDs any faster for sequential! But we do improve access times smile.gif
And we're just making sure we use the fastest part of our drives thumb.gif

Ithink that says it all
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Ithink that says it all

It doesn't improve access at all. It merely prevent's the slower sections from ever being used.

That's all well and good, but ultimately pointless as the same result can be obtained without the negative side effect of lost capacity.

The only time short-stroking is a better choice than partitioning, or simply intelligent data storage organization, is when trying to idiot-proof a computer's OS drive. Are you trying to say you are an idiot who needs proofing? I like to hope not.
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It doesn't improve access at all. It merely prevent's the slower sections from ever being used.
That's all well and good, but ultimately pointless as the same result can be obtained without the negative side effect of lost capacity.
The only time short-stroking is a better choice than partitioning, or simply intelligent data storage organization, is when trying to idiot-proof a computer's OS drive. Are you trying to say you are an idiot who needs proofing? I like to hope not.

Honestly, do you use every sector on your harddrive, no! and why would you. You shouldnt even come close, partisioning is good and should be user defined for his or her set up, but short stroking is a tested and reliable technique, it also helps with the life of your HDD, the arm doesnt have to run the whole length of the platter.
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Honestly, do you use every sector on your harddrive, no! and why would you. You shouldnt even come close, partisioning is good and should be user defined for his or her set up, but short stroking is a tested and reliable technique, it also helps with the life of your HDD, the arm doesnt have to run the whole length of the platter.

As a matter of fact I DO use close to the full capacity of my drives. Why else would I pay for the extra capacity?

Skipping and singing show tunes is a tested and reliable way to get from point A to point B, but it is neither faster nor more logical than simply walking.

As for the life of your drives, that is bogus. Almost all disk errors are due to corruption or head crashes. Neither of which have anything at all to do with the range of movement of the arm. If anything, short-stroking reduces lifespan by limiting sectors which could otherwise be used for compensation of bad sectors - something which can become a very real issue in cases where you're already starving your capacity due to short stroking in the first place.
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Core i7 980x GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD5 MSI RX 480 GAMING X 4GB MSI GeForce GTX 680 Lightning 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Kingston HyperX T1 Intel X25-M WD Caviar Black FASS Plextor M5S 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOptical Drive
WD Velociraptor WD Caviar Black FALS Sony DVD Burner w/ Lightscribe LG Bluray + HDDVD 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Black Ice GTX 360 Black Ice GTX 240 Panaflo High Speed - Push-Pull w/ shrouds Windows 7 Pro (64) 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Ubuntu (64) X-Star DP2710 ASUS VK266H Black 25.5" 2ms LCD X-Armor U9BL (Mech) 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
EVGA 1000 P2 Cooler Master HAF 932 Razer Deathadder Chroma Cougar Control 
AudioAudioAudioAudio
ATH-A900X Maudio AV-40 Polk PSW-10 Zalman Mic-1 (Clip-on Mic) 
AudioOtherOtherOther
Sound Blaster X7 LE Logitech G13 Wacom Intuos 3 Scythe "3-Foot Switch" 
Other
Modded PS4, PS3, Xbox 360, and Logitech PC Cont... 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 7 1700 MSI B350M Mortar Arctic RX Vega 64 G.Skill TridentZ  
Hard DriveHard DriveOSPower
Samsung EVO 960 Consatellation Windows 10 Pro Corsair HX 1050 
Case
Raijintek Aeneas White Window 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Core i5-661 GA-H55-USB3 12GB DDR3 1333 WD Caviar Black AALS 640GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD Caviar Green EARS 2TB Vertex Turbo 60GB (SSD) Samsung Blu-ray, Samsung DVD Burner H50 (With push/pull nocturas) 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Professional 64 LG 47inch LED LCD Saitek Eclipse Lite-touch Wireless Seasonic X750 Gold 
CaseAudio
CM690 II Passive bookshelfspeakers + amp. 
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