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The BladeMaster that comes with the 212+ might be a bit louder than the one on the AC Freezer 7, but it moves a LOT more air and cools a lot better as well. If your motherboard supports it you might want to try running it in PWM mode and let the motherboard control the fan speed.
PWM.. is that the smart fan control? I heard it's better to just not use this feature. Is this true? I currently have it disabled. The 212+ does however cool my CPU better than the Freezer 7. I just thought it would have been quiet as well since larger fans are generally quieter and push more air at lower speeds.
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pwm, qfan, faneq ect.. (different boad mfgs call it different names)

all do similar things to control the fan speeds

off will run the fan at 100% all the time
enabled will ramp the fan speed up as the temp rises
bios should have minimum/max speed and desired temp settings
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PWM.. is that the smart fan control? I heard it's better to just not use this feature. Is this true? I currently have it disabled. The 212+ does however cool my CPU better than the Freezer 7. I just thought it would have been quiet as well since larger fans are generally quieter and push more air at lower speeds.
You get lower temps with it off, but as you noticed, its louder. Even with PWM ON, your temps will be lower. I noticed, switching from a Freezer 7 Pro, that my load temps were +10c lower even while the 212+ fan is under 1000RPM.
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You get lower temps with it off, but as you noticed, its louder. Even with PWM ON, your temps will be lower. I noticed, switching from a Freezer 7 Pro, that my load temps were +10c lower even while the 212+ fan is under 1000RPM.
With both heatsinks PWM off and fans running at 2000 RPM, what did you think about the noise level between the 2 heatsinks? Was your Freezer pretty much silent as well?
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Depending on the motherboard the max RPM of the fan while running on PWN might be 5 to 10% lower than running it on manual. It doesn't happen on all boards, but it can at times. I know my Gigabyte P35-DS3L Rev 1.0 would run about 5% lower max rpm when running the Folding@Home SMP Client which runs the cpu at 100% load. But with a fan as powerful as the BladeMaster even a 10% lower RPM would still be app. 1800 to 1850RPM's which would more than likely only raise temps by about 1C. The only problem I could see with PWM is if it takes too long to ramp the speed up, but that rarely happens.

PWM (the use of a FOUR wire fan connection on the motherboard( is the most precise method of automatic fan control. It is fine to use if you use your system like most people do to use the internet, do some e-mail, do some word processing, watch some videos, listen to music, etc. most of the time and do something more cpu intensive once in a while such as gaming, video editing, etc. One shouldn't have a problem with PWM in a situation like that. Where it's often times better to set the fans to run full speed all of the time is when you run something like Folding@Home that runs your cpu at 100% load 24/7/365, do video rendering for long portions of the day, or are doing some extended benching runs or some serious OC'ing runs. In a situation like that it makes no sense to use PWM or any other automatic fan control as you would want maximum cooling all of the time.

I know several people who save two or more bios profiles in their bios with the same OC's and different cooling settings like one with PWM for everyday use and one without PWM for extended gaming, video rendering, etc. and switch between them as needed. If you are going to be gaming you are probably going to be shutting other programs down anyway so the 2 minutes or so it takes to reboot and switch bios profiles isn't a big deal.

As for noise from the BladeMaster fans on the 212+ I haven't noticed them to be that loud. My 212+ has a pair of BladeMasters in Push/Pull running full speed all the time and that combination is actually slightly quieter than my AC Freezer 7 Pro is. In fact, if my system with the BladeMasters is the only system I have running I can barely hear the fans at all. The only time they are noticeable is when I have the system with the BladeMasters on the 212+ and the one with the pair of High Speed Yate Loons on the 212+ are sitting side by side and running at the same time. I can definitely hear the combined noise of the two then. When I was setting up the secondary rig last weekend and doing some tests the rigs with the BladeMasters and Yates were running about 3 feet from me while the test system with the Freezer 7 was about 6 feet away and I could hear the single Freezer over the combined noise from the Yates and BladeMasters. Admittedly the Freezer has been used for 4 years and the BladeMasters less than 1 year, but that's the results I'm getting.
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Depending on the motherboard the max RPM of the fan while running on PWN might be 5 to 10% lower than running it on manual. It doesn't happen on all boards, but it can at times. I know my Gigabyte P35-DS3L Rev 1.0 would run about 5% lower max rpm when running the Folding@Home SMP Client which runs the cpu at 100% load. But with a fan as powerful as the BladeMaster even a 10% lower RPM would still be app. 1800 to 1850RPM's which would more than likely only raise temps by about 1C. The only problem I could see with PWM is if it takes too long to ramp the speed up, but that rarely happens.

PWM (the use of a FOUR wire fan connection on the motherboard( is the most precise method of automatic fan control. It is fine to use if you use your system like most people do to use the internet, do some e-mail, do some word processing, watch some videos, listen to music, etc. most of the time and do something more cpu intensive once in a while such as gaming, video editing, etc. One shouldn't have a problem with PWM in a situation like that. Where it's often times better to set the fans to run full speed all of the time is when you run something like Folding@Home that runs your cpu at 100% load 24/7/365, do video rendering for long portions of the day, or are doing some extended benching runs or some serious OC'ing runs. In a situation like that it makes no sense to use PWM or any other automatic fan control as you would want maximum cooling all of the time.

I know several people who save two or more bios profiles in their bios with the same OC's and different cooling settings like one with PWM for everyday use and one without PWM for extended gaming, video rendering, etc. and switch between them as needed. If you are going to be gaming you are probably going to be shutting other programs down anyway so the 2 minutes or so it takes to reboot and switch bios profiles isn't a big deal.

As for noise from the BladeMaster fans on the 212+ I haven't noticed them to be that loud. My 212+ has a pair of BladeMasters in Push/Pull running full speed all the time and that combination is actually slightly quieter than my AC Freezer 7 Pro is. In fact, if my system with the BladeMasters is the only system I have running I can barely hear the fans at all. The only time they are noticeable is when I have the system with the BladeMasters on the 212+ and the one with the pair of High Speed Yate Loons on the 212+ are sitting side by side and running at the same time. I can definitely hear the combined noise of the two then. When I was setting up the secondary rig last weekend and doing some tests the rigs with the BladeMasters and Yates were running about 3 feet from me while the test system with the Freezer 7 was about 6 feet away and I could hear the single Freezer over the combined noise from the Yates and BladeMasters. Admittedly the Freezer has been used for 4 years and the BladeMasters less than 1 year, but that's the results I'm getting.
That's strange since my Freezer was about a year old and was very silent. With none of my case fans on, I was barely able to hear it and would have go look at the fan to see that it was running. And this is in a fairly quiet room with no other background noise. My BladeMaster, on the other hand, is 1 day old and seems louder than usual to me. It's even louder than my 2 80mm cheap Masscool case fans. I know sound/loudness is all subjective, but is this normal?
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Doesn't sound normal to me. But I have seen some recent posts where people have been complaining that their BladeMasters are louder than they expected them to be. It's possible that there was a bad batch that got out or CM might have changed the manufacturer of them recently.
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My thoughts too. Seems like more and more complaining of it lately.
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I wish I have a decibel meter here to measure how loud mine actually are. I will say that mine did seem to be noticeably quieter after they ran for a couple of days, but I've experienced that with a lot of fans over the years. For some I think it has to do with the difference in the tone level or pitch of the sound. If it's considerably different to what you are used to one can perceive the new fan to be louder than it actually is. That's due to your noticing a different sound more than one you have grown used to.

I can also see how someone who has the 212+ mounted so the fans blow up instead of front to back could have a different sound or their fans could be louder. This is because sleeve bearing fans should ideally be mounted to blow air in a horizontal direction. When you mount them to blow air in a vertical direction it changes the bearing load and if the bearing isn't lubricated as well as they should they will more than likely be louder than they would be blowing horizontally.
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I wish I have a decibel meter here to measure how loud mine actually are. I will say that mine did seem to be noticeably quieter after they ran for a couple of days, but I've experienced that with a lot of fans over the years. For some I think it has to do with the difference in the tone level or pitch of the sound. If it's considerably different to what you are used to one can perceive the new fan to be louder than it actually is. That's due to your noticing a different sound more than one you have grown used to.

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Make sense to me.
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