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i am getting about 2-3C lower temps with the side panel open on by elite430 (mind you its a non-transparent panel with 2x120mm fan slots)

i have 2x120mm fans, 1 intake and 1 exhaust + an 80mm bottom intake and as you can see from the pic i have done the best possible cable mgt. possible with this case

does this mean the side panel is blocking the air flow or something, coz i cannot keep the panel open all the time, any other remedies???
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Originally Posted by PapaSmurf;13979529 
No way that can be true. I don't care how powerful the new fans are it's simply not possible. Maybe 5C at best if they are powerful enough, but no chance of a 10C drop.

I probably should have mentioned that I was not only going from a single, 1300rpm fan to dual 3000rpm fans, but also replaced the thermal paste with MX-2 (from using standard white goop) and also did cable management in my Antec 900 to ensure there was no cables blocking airflow. These things combined DID give me a 12c drop in temperatures.

At the same time as all that mess, I also took the heatsinks off the SB, Chipset, V-Regs and Mofsets and after taking all the useless thermal tape off, also applied MX-2. Afterwards, the sensors for those parts of the board showed significant drops in temps.

Cooling is a pretty involved process - at least for those who want to be thorough about it. tongue.gif
 
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@solarin
you could stick with another blademaster, I had originally went with 2 yate loons and they worked very well for me. But right now I am rockin 2 blue led sickleflows and they cook my CPU pretty well. As for noise, it is not that loud for me but its all a personal preference

Thanks for the feedback. I was definitely leaning towards the Sickleflows.
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how do I cool the other parts on the mobo? replace TIM and anything else?
   
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Originally Posted by Solarin;13986160 
I just got my Hyper 212+ and I am getting ready to build when my CPU/mobo get here. (Pics will follow.)

I haven't figured out a good P/P configuration yet, but I was thinking of getting two Sickleflows. Would it better to just stick with another Blademaster based on cost? It is my understanding that the fans have to match RPMs to take advantage of PWM efficiently. I am going to try to emphasize noise reduction to some extent as well. Therefore, based on what I've read, Yate Loons seem to be a poor fit for what I want.

I was going to pair this with this y-cable.

Sickleflows suck as heatsink fans since they don't have the static pressure that the stock BladeMaster has. They are also louder than the BladeMaster. My advice is just get a second Blademaster if you want optimum cooling.

If you are after good cooling and want to control noise then either 2 Blademasters running at around 1400 to 1600 rpms or 2 Yate Loon Medium Speeds. Either would provide temps withn 1C of the single Blademaster that the 212+ comes with, but be noticeably quieter.
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Originally Posted by chinesethunda;13987077 
@papasmurf
Okay, thanks for the info, i was just wondering if my temps were a little high or not, my ambient temps are 20~ degrees. Running games it only goes up to around 50 degrees so I guess its decent. But I still put too much TIM on the first time around so once I get my arctic silver 5 on tuesday I will change it and see if any temp changes occur

@solarin
you could stick with another blademaster, I had originally went with 2 yate loons and they worked very well for me. But right now I am rockin 2 blue led sickleflows and they cook my CPU pretty well. As for noise, it is not that loud for me but its all a personal preference

Like I said, SickleFlows are designed to be used as case fans, not for heatsinks and rads, especially a heatsink with fins packed as tightly as the 212+
Quote:
Originally Posted by abu46;13989159 
i am getting about 2-3C lower temps with the side panel open on by elite430 (mind you its a non-transparent panel with 2x120mm fan slots)

i have 2x120mm fans, 1 intake and 1 exhaust + an 80mm bottom intake and as you can see from the pic i have done the best possible cable mgt. possible with this case

does this mean the side panel is blocking the air flow or something, coz i cannot keep the panel open all the time, any other remedies???

As for why you get better temps with the side panel off should be addressed in the CASES forum as that would have nothing to do with the 212+. Basically it amounts to poor airflow through the case, not with the 212+ itself.

If you are concerned with temps get that crap fan off of the 212+ and put the BladeMaster back on it. That should lower temps a couple of degrees or more by itself. Second, saying you have 120 mm fans tells us absolutely nothing. Without knowing what fans they are there is no way to know if they move enough air to do much good or not.

And no, you aren't even close to having the best possible cable management in that case. I have used several of the Elite 330 cases which are essentially the same case with the PSU at the top and know full well how much better the cable management can be in one of them if one is willing to do the work. It might not make that much difference in the temps, but it could definitely be improved a significant amount.

I also never had more than 1C difference in temps with the side panel on or off with any of the full sized Elite 3xx or 4xx series of cases, and that includes the ones with a Hyper 212+ installed so there is something about the way you have your case configured that is causing the problem. In fact, I normally get better temps with the side panal on that with them off.
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Originally Posted by XPD541;13990454 
I probably should have mentioned that I was not only going from a single, 1300rpm fan to dual 3000rpm fans, but also replaced the thermal paste with MX-2 (from using standard white goop) and also did cable management in my Antec 900 to ensure there was no cables blocking airflow. These things combined DID give me a 12c drop in temperatures.

At the same time as all that mess, I also took the heatsinks off the SB, Chipset, V-Regs and Mofsets and after taking all the useless thermal tape off, also applied MX-2. Afterwards, the sensors for those parts of the board showed significant drops in temps.

Cooling is a pretty involved process - at least for those who want to be thorough about it. tongue.gif

So you outright lied and I was completely correct. Going P/P with the Ultra Kazes by themselves did NOT provide anywhere near the difference in temps you claimed. At best that would account for 3 or 4C, not the 12C you claimed. And yes, a lie of omission is still a lie. By not stating the COMPLETE FACTS you mislead the person asking the question. If someone like myself had not stepped in and called you out on it the person asking the question might have wondered why simply switching to a P/P setup on their setup only gave them a 1 or 2C difference in temps. That's why it's not only important, but MANDATORY to give the FULL answer and the CORRECT answer instead of making stuff up or only providing a very small part of the answer.
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Originally Posted by chinesethunda;13994569 
how do I cool the other parts on the mobo? replace TIM and anything else?

Replacing the TIM can help to some extent, but normally not that much. If the heatsinks on the chipsets, vrms, etc. are already getting hot then replacing the TIM probably won't change things enough to worry about. When they are getting hot it shows that the heat is being transferred to the heatsink. If they aren't getting hot then replacing the TIM will probably have a greater affect. Try mounting a small fan or two in the case to blow directly onto the parts you need extra cooling for. That tends to do more good.
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Originally Posted by abu46;13989159 
i am getting about 2-3C lower temps with the side panel open on by elite430 (mind you its a non-transparent panel with 2x120mm fan slots)

i have 2x120mm fans, 1 intake and 1 exhaust + an 80mm bottom intake and as you can see from the pic i have done the best possible cable mgt. possible with this case

does this mean the side panel is blocking the air flow or something, coz i cannot keep the panel open all the time, any other remedies???

How are you doing "the best possible cable management" when you have a motherboard power cable running up over your video card. I dare say is there any cable running in the back of your motherboard plate at all? You have that gigantic vent in the back panel and I don't see anything going through it.

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Try again. :3
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Originally Posted by PapaSmurf;13995084 
So you outright lied and I was completely correct. Going P/P with the Ultra Kazes by themselves did NOT provide anywhere near the difference in temps you claimed. At best that would account for 3 or 4C, not the 12C you claimed. And yes, a lie of omission is still a lie. By not stating the COMPLETE FACTS you mislead the person asking the question. If someone like myself had not stepped in and called you out on it the person asking the question might have wondered why simply switching to a P/P setup on their setup only gave them a 1 or 2C difference in temps. That's why it's not only important, but MANDATORY to give the FULL answer and the CORRECT answer instead of making stuff up or only providing a very small part of the answer.

The proper procedure for going from a single fan on the Hyper212+ to the Ultra Kaze's consists of steps that the beginner may not consider: like making sure there is sufficient airflow TO said fans, and that there is sufficient airflow out the back of the case. GRANTED, I had the cable management and exhaust mostly worked out in advance, but only the first paragraph of my post in this matter was what I was explaining in reference to that. I believe in making sure there is as much information which can contribute to the peak performance with the parts at hand, rather than "Oh, slap some fans on the sukkr and GO!" approaches. If you want to "Call me out" or blast hot air at me on the open forum, I'll leave this thread to you, since I am obviously not helping anyone here.


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Originally Posted by PapaSmurf;13995084 
As for why you get better temps with the side panel off should be addressed in the CASES forum as that would have nothing to do with the 212+. Basically it amounts to poor airflow through the case, not with the 212+ itself.

If you are concerned with temps get that crap fan off of the 212+ and put the BladeMaster back on it. That should lower temps a couple of degrees or more by itself. Second, saying you have 120 mm fans tells us absolutely nothing. Without knowing what fans they are there is no way to know if they move enough air to do much good or not.

And no, you aren't even close to having the best possible cable management in that case. I have used several of the Elite 330 cases which are essentially the same case with the PSU at the top and know full well how much better the cable management can be in one of them if one is willing to do the work. It might not make that much difference in the temps, but it could definitely be improved a significant amount.

I also never had more than 1C difference in temps with the side panel on or off with any of the full sized Elite 3xx or 4xx series of cases, and that includes the ones with a Hyper 212+ installed so there is something about the way you have your case configured that is causing the problem. In fact, I normally get better temps with the side panal on that with them off.

i will post the query in the cases forum too

my 212+ came with this fan only (Xtra Flo) and you too mentioned previously that the blademasters would t make more than 1C diff. compared to this fan!!
regarding the placements of my 120mm fans i have clearly mentioned that one is intake the other exhaust and 1 one 80mm bottom intake and for exact placements i posted the picture too

regarding cable management what i meant was the best possible mgt. that i could achieve, i will try and revise the mgt.

@Inverse

Again i wil reiterate that i have done the best possible cable mgt. that I could achieve and not "THE BEST"
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Well, when you make a statement like going to P/P will decrease temps by 12C without mentioning all of the other things you did is definitely not the correct way to go about things. All of the other things you did have absolutely nothing to do with going to a P/P setup. Yes, they are things that should be done to optimize cooling, but making a blanket statement like you did that switching from a single fan to a Push/Pull setup with Ultra Kaze's will give you a 12C drop in CPU temps is nothing but a lie and you know it. Heck, you weren't even responsible enough to specify which Ultra Kaze's you used. Considering that they make more than one model for all anyone knew you could have switched to the slow 1,000 rpm 44cfm models to get a decrease in temps, and anyone with any computer knowledge at all knows that would never happen. It's irresponsible to make blanket statements like that, especially ones that are so misleading.

I'll finish by stating even with all of the other work you did, the chances of it producing a 12C drop in temps is somewhere between slim and none. Advice like that is worse than no advice at all.
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Originally Posted by abu46;13996119 
i will post the query in the cases forum too

my 212+ came with this fan only (Xtra Flo) and you too mentioned previously that the blademasters would t make more than 1C diff. compared to this fan!!
regarding the placements of my 120mm fans i have clearly mentioned that one is intake the other exhaust and 1 one 80mm bottom intake and for exact placements i posted the picture too

regarding cable management what i meant was the best possible mgt. that i could achieve, i will try and revise the mgt.

@Inverse

Again i wil reiterate that i have done the best possible cable mgt. that I could achieve and not "THE BEST"

I didn't question WHERE the fans are, but WHAT FANS THEY ARE. There is a big difference. If one or more of those fans are the stock fans that came with that case they don't move enough air to provide anything even close to optimal cooling.

That is NOT the fan that CoolerMaster ships with a 212+. If that's what came with it either you don't have an actual 212+ or someone along the way substituted it for the BladeMaster that originally came with it.

And that is definitely not the best possible cable management that YOU could achieve unless you are severly physically handicapped, and even then you could easily have done better.
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442
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Q6600
(14 items)
 
Piece O' Crappola
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q9550 E0 DFI LanParty LT P35-T2R 2 x HD4670QT512P CF Patriot PVS24G8500ELKN 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
Stock pfsense Acer H233H Antec EarthWatts 430 
CaseAudio
custom onboard 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 B3 Lapped @ 3.4 GA-EP45-UD3R EVGA 9600GSO 384m 96SP 4G (2x2) Patriot Viper PC2-8500 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
80g Maxtor, 320WDC. 320Seagate NEC ND-3550 & LiteOn CM Hyper 212+ w/PP Blademasters XP Pro SP3 
MonitorPowerCase
Acer H233H Rosewill RG630-S12 NZXT BetaEVO 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E6420 GA-P35-DS3L GeForce 7300LE 2G PNY PC2-6400 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
80Gig WDC SATA NEC ND3540A Win 7 Ultimate 64bit/XP Pro Acer H233H 
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Antec Earthwatts 430 none 
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