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Originally Posted by Elohim View Post

I test coolers myself, and there IS a significant difference between an entry level cooler and a high end one. At a moderate OC it doesnt really come into play too much, but if you really turn on the heat, the differences get pretty significant.
Let me pull up some compeltely random reviews:
http://www.kitguru.net/components/cooling/henry-butt/cooler-master-tpc-800-cpu-cooler-review/5/
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/%5Bprimary-term%5D/cooler_master_hyper_212_evo_review
in the first one we have a 26°C difference between the H100 and the TPC 800 wich is superiour to the 212
in the second one we have a 20°C diffrence between the 212+ and the Armageddon.
These results seem to be more realistic from my personal experience with dozens of different coolers.
and hey, i'm not trying to talk down on any product here, i hope everyone is happy with their cooler, but to say that there is essentially no difference between a 212 and a H80/SilverArrow/etc just seems wrong to me.

26C difference? Whatever you say. I can guarantee you I can max out my OC and by a h100 and I wouldn't come close ot getting 26 C differences at load.

HOWEVER: (I Edited), This is with a stock EVO or 212. NOT with a EVO motified with a push/pull setup or a case with added fans.

So everyones mileage will vary pretty significantly depending on setup.
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You guys forgot a really important thing. The Phenom is a quad and the 8120 is an Octo.

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I disagree on that fan part. The stock fan that comes with the H100 has some AMAZING static pressure numbers, seven mmH2O at full speed.

I was just saying for reference. There are always better fans.
Edited by mrtoyotaco - 9/29/12 at 10:36am
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26C difference? Whatever you say. I can guarantee you I can max out my OC and by a h100 and I wouldn't come close ot getting 26 C differences at load.
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You missed my point, wich is that the 212 is not on the same level as a Silver Arrow, Phanteks, H100, H80, etc at a high overclock on a hot CPU. They are not even close dude, despite what that one review says.
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You missed my point, wich is that the 212 is not on the same level as a Silver Arrow, Phanteks, H100, H80, etc at a high overclock on a hot CPU. They are not even close dude, despite what that one review says.

I didn't miss your point. And I am sure the H100 will outdo the EVO or 212 ony any occasion or build. But not by what you are claiming or what others may have found.

It's pretty farfetched in my opinion to believe that if I am at 5.0ghz at 100C on my evo 212 that by swapping out with a h100 will bring my 5.0ghz overclock down to 74C. Which is pretty much what you are saying.
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You missed my point, wich is that the 212 is not on the same level as a Silver Arrow, Phanteks, H100, H80, etc at a high overclock on a hot CPU. They are not even close dude, despite what that one review says.

This. I don't know where guy above got the idea that the + or Evo are high end air coolers. All comparisons I saw came down to when you go for a stronger overclock. No air unit could keep up when you start hitting 4.3-5 or higher. Especially on hotter chips, which you don't know, I have a very hot one thumb.gif If you can hit high overclocks then good for you. I live in a desert, I have a hot chip. It doesn't work out that way for me.

Still not really the point. No one's here to bash on any one unit. If you don't think my temps will be any better, oh well. Don't need to try to defend your toy multiple times.
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Ahem, I'm butting in on the argument. It may be that the difference is quite large if both did a 30 minutes test. But over time the sealed water cooler will get warmer. If they showed how long each of them have tested under load, I'm sure you'll see that the reviews with a huge difference tested in short amount of time and the closer results are ones where they tested for longer.
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Ahem, I'm butting in on the argument. It may be that the difference is quite large if both did a 30 minutes test. But over time the sealed water cooler will get warmer. If they showed how long each of them have tested under load, I'm sure you'll see that the reviews with a huge difference tested in short amount of time and the closer results are ones where they tested for longer.

While stress testing with the Evo, it'd baseline a temperature at a certain spot. Though over time still very gradually increase in temperatures. That is any different how?
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This. I don't know where guy above got the idea that the + or Evo are high end air coolers. All comparisons I saw came down to when you go for a stronger overclock. No air unit could keep up when you start hitting 4.3-5 or higher. Especially on hotter chips, which you don't know, I have a very hot one thumb.gif If you can hit high overclocks then good for you. I live in a desert, I have a hot chip. It doesn't work out that way for me.
Still not really the point. No one's here to bash on any one unit. If you don't think my temps will be any better, oh well. Don't need to try to defend your toy multiple times.

Really?
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Really?

Yes, really. You seem kinda salty there buddy. Are we done now and can we act like men?

Unit should be arriving soon. Will probably have some temps within 3-4 hours.
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I didn't miss your point. And I am sure the H100 will outdo the EVO or 212 ony any occasion or build. But not by what you are claiming or what others may have found.
It's pretty farfetched in my opinion to believe that if I am at 5.0ghz at 100C on my evo 212 that by swapping out with a h100 will bring my 5.0ghz overclock down to 74C. Which is pretty much what you are saying.

my point was not that particular review or any particular numbers for that matter. my point was: it's even more farfetched to believe that the 212 is on par or even better than an any High End Heatpipe-based Air Cooler, like you suggested by posting that review. There is a reason why people buy bigger and more expensive air coolers and it's not because they like a huge chunk of metal in their case.


http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/cooler_master_hyper_212_evo_cpu_cooler_review,11.html

This is a review i highly regard and wich got similar numbers to mine and the difference between the 212 Evo/+ and a High End Air cooling is roughly 10/15°C respectively at a decent OC, i7 920@4GHz.
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my point was not that particular review or any particular numbers for that matter. my point was: it's even more farfetched to believe that the 212 is on par or even better than an any High End Heatpipe-based Air Cooler, like you suggested by posting that review. There is a reason why people buy bigger and more expensive air coolers and it's not because they like a huge chunk of metal in their case.
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/cooler_master_hyper_212_evo_cpu_cooler_review,11.html
This is a review i highly regard and wich got similar numbers to mine and the difference between the 212 Evo/+ and a High End Air cooling is roughly 10/15°C respectively at a decent OC, i7 920@4GHz.

No where did I say the evo was better. You ASSUMED thats what i meant by me REPOSTING what was posted earlier by another member. And if you look, the reposting confirma that the h100 is better than the evo. So why would I say the opposite? I was just pointing out that guys over clock with the two compared. Thats it. Period.
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Yes, really. You seem kinda salty there buddy. Are we done now and can we act like men?
Unit should be arriving soon. Will probably have some temps within 3-4 hours.

You are the one ridiculing and calling me salty. And you are the one asking if we can act like men? Mmm. Let us know how your new toy works out for you.

All i simply said was dont exPect a huge difference like some people say. Because most likely your mileage will vary. Thats it.
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