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Now, that's not really fair. I've owned two pairs of true 5.1 headphones, and in my experience they've been more pleasurable than my 5.1 home theater system. I've found that the headphones don't allow for other background noises and makes the game insanely immersive. And yes, the surround sound effect works magnificently. It works better than my theater setup, because I am not able to get all of my speakers an equal distance apart.

Not everybody plays games in the middle of the floor. You can knock 5.1 headphones all you want, but the truth is they're freakin' awesome. The only complaint I can think of is how fragile they are.
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I have a pair of Roccat Kaves, which I LOVE. My barracuda's were sick too while they lasted but I prefer the Roccat's. They sound a lot more pure and the noise cancelling is awesome.
Yeah i checked the Kaves out and they look very nice but i will NEVER pay $140+ $15 shipping for some headphones.
post #53 of 85
Regardless of your reasoning or explanations the fact is I have a pair of Turtle Beach 5.1 headphones and while the sound quality is just ok, the surround effect is definitely pronounced.

I bought them b/c I got a killer deal on them and they work great for directional audio in gaming and movies late at night. I consider myself something of an audiophile and I will definitely concede that the sound quality is only passing. But I have a real 5.1 setup through my receiver hooked up to my computer that I can contrast the surround effect from those headphones, and it is there. In games that support multi-channel sound I can tell where I am being shot at and where people are. It works.

So while I definitely agree none of them have top quality sound, at least the Turtle Beach cans proved a pretty good surround experience.

EDIT: Let me also say that the set I have, the HPA2, does have 6 drivers in each cup, on larger driver for stereo left and right, two smaller drivers in each cup, one for center and one for surround left/right, and also some kind of unit on the sides that simulates bass. They have their own usb powered amp, though they are NOT usb headphones. The amp does introduce more noise than a good quality amp.

So to sum up, from my own experience, they don't sound amazing, but the 5.1 effect is for REAL.
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I absolutely love my Tritton AX51 pro headset, 4 speakers per side, and the surround is very immersive. That haircut clip was amazing ear secks. With the sound card I have, the bass is very responsive and strong/deep depending on the level of the woofer i choose.

http://img.bestdirect.ca/images/Trit...RI-AI713_4.jpg

I only payd 65$ for them at comic con, half off retail at the time. Now can be had for 80-100$
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post #55 of 85
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I heard the virtual haircut a while ago, and that was convincing enough. 5.1 headphone/headsets are a gimmick, and nothing more. I honestly do not see how you could distinguish between a center, left, right, left rear, right rear, and a subwoofer with the drivers so close together. My stereo headphones coupled with my X-Fi Titanium provide surround sound all on their own. Now a true 5.1/7.1 home theater setup makes sense, but with the drivers just mm apart? Makes no sense to me whatsoever.
Spoken like someone who hasn't used a set of 5.1 cans, at least a set with multiple physical drivers.

If you use something, say the Novint Falcon, and you've tested it, and you have a frame of reference, then you can come out and call it a gimmick. If not, you are only guessing.

As I've said, I am an audiophile, and while I haven't heard one of these sets with great sound quailty, at least the HPA2 provides a very realistic 5.1 experience. This is first hand, I've owned them for over a year, and used them with games, movies, etc. Not really good for music enjoyment, but instances when you need/want multi-channel and can't wake the roommates, then these work.

Mind you, I got these for WELL less than retail, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered.

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There is no such thing as a 5.1 headphone. A lot of speakers have multiple mid-range drivers in it. You would not call those speakers a 5.1 system. The drivers need to be spaced out around you. Even my IEMs have 3 drivers in them, but they are not called 6.0.

There is some sort of sound processing involved to simulate 5.1.
That is not necessarily true. The HPA2 does not change the sound one iota. It hooks directly into the multi-channel outs on your soundcard and outputs exactly what your sound card is feeding each channel. There are headsets out there that simulate 5.1, but that is not what we are talking about.
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post #56 of 85
Lol, I've never used 5.1 headphones, so I can't say if their directional positioning is any better (unlike some reflexive haters on this here forum), but I did notice that this diagram is a strawman.



If the drivers are positioned close together, and aimed at the ear from afar, yes their theta will be very small. But if they are the same distance from each other, and aimed at the ear from an inch away (like real 5.1 headphone drivers are), their theta will be much larger.

Poorly painted comparison:
Attachment 135979

Therefore, your original diagram/comparison is invalid, because you moved the "drivers" farther away while keeping them closely spaced, to suit your purposes.
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Now, that's not really fair. I've owned two pairs of true 5.1 headphones, and in my experience they've been more pleasurable than my 5.1 home theater system. I've found that the headphones don't allow for other background noises and makes the game insanely immersive. And yes, the surround sound effect works magnificently. It works better than my theater setup, because I am not able to get all of my speakers an equal distance apart.

Not everybody plays games in the middle of the floor. You can knock 5.1 headphones all you want, but the truth is they're freakin' awesome. The only complaint I can think of is how fragile they are.

I agree, I love mine to bits.
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What do you guys think about this foobar "5.1 Experience" setup: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f46/5-...-files-447089/

I've had the link bookmarked but haven't bothered trying it out recently. This thread reminded me of it. I might give it a try this weekend.
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post #59 of 85
this is a ridiculous article headsets now only use two drivers because they use dolbys new directional technology which allows for 5.1 with two drivers do some more research before you rag on something with your ridiculous pictures

buy a astro a40 headset with mixamp and then you'll realize
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buy a astro a40 headset with mixamp and then you'll realize
Buy some real headphones and then you'll realize...
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