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I thought so also. But in my case the FSB wall is not an issue since 385*13 equals 5 ghz. Though I can not boot with 385*7 even but I guess thats because of the low vCore.

For example if I am able to reach the same clock with low fsb and high multi as with the opposite, what would be better? Is there even a difference or should I always go for the highest clock?

I will not be posting more this evening but I'm looking forward to getting the new cooler and with your help push it over 4 ghz.
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post #1112 of 1688
You're trying to get 3.5Ghz right?
Set it to 270FSB and set your multiplier to 13x.
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Hi, first post on the board.
This fine club was the reason I joined.

I've got a low budget system. It goes somewhat like this.

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4 gb ram 1066 mhz , atm running 1054 mhz
9600gt graphics at stock speed atm
Some low budget dodgy powersupply 460W
welcome to the club mate

First of all, i would strongly suggest that you buy a decent PSU cause a cheap one doesn't have any ove or under-current protection and this might cost you a burned MB or CPU (happened to me twice to learn my lesson)

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I have been running this cpu at 254*13 for some time but recently discovered this thread and changed the approach because of a statement that higher fsb is better. Is this true? I have lowered superpi result from 20s to 18s but i also have a higher clock now.
Indeed, higher FSB = higher performance, you can use games or app benchmarks to see the difference

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I would like some help with ram timings, auto is set to 5-5-5-15. Is there reason to change it?
not really, DRAM timing does have more than 0.5-1% impact on performance
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I will get a new cooler any day now, a 212+. When I get it i will post my new results.
Best of luck

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Edit: OS

Update: I tried to max out the fsb. I'm now running 385 * 6, boot failed at 390 * 6. vcore 1,3
so your CPU's FSB wall is somewhere between 385 and 390 but the results are great, i think that you have the highest rated FSB in this club
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From what I know, you want to have it set the the highest multiplier.
sure, but..

higher multiplier = lower CPU voltage requirement
Lower multiplier = higher CPU voltage requirement and, better CPU performance because of the increased FSB bandwidth
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I thought so also. But in my case the FSB wall is not an issue since 385*13 equals 5 ghz. Though I can not boot with 385*7 even but I guess thats because of the low vCore.

For example if I am able to reach the same clock with low fsb and high multi as with the opposite, what would be better? Is there even a difference or should I always go for the highest clock?

I will not be posting more this evening but I'm looking forward to getting the new cooler and with your help push it over 4 ghz.
to know your highest FSB and FSB wall, set your multiplier to 6 and raise the FSB until you can no longer boot
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to know your highest FSB and FSB wall, set your multiplier to 6 and raise the FSB until you can no longer boot
My MSI will try three or four times then give up and go red letters, (overclock failed). It is trying different settings, and I can see the results of that in new voltages I did not select.

Once I just let it go again with exactly the same settings, and it booted after a few more internal machinations, (I can't believe my key board just wrote that last phrase), though I don't remember where I was in my quest.

So maybe it has more tricks up its sleeve than you get on first failure notice?

FWIW.

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My MSI will try three or four times then give up and go red letters, (overclock failed). It is trying different settings, and I can see the results of that in new voltages I did not select.

Once I just let it go again with exactly the same settings, and it booted after a few more internal machinations, (I can't believe my key board just wrote that last phrase), though I don't remember where I was in my quest.

So maybe it has more tricks up its sleeve than you get on first failure notice?

FWIW.

Bruce
you have to distinguish between 2 terms

1- FSB hole: can be overcome by raising the CPU vtt, the NB v and/or selecting a different FSB speed

2- FSB wall: which can be:

A- A MB FSB wall, can be solved by upgrading to a MB with a higher FSB limit
B- A CPU FSB wall, your CPU reached its limit and thats the end of your overclocking adventure
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Originally Posted by omari79 View Post
welcome to the club mate

First of all, i would strongly suggest that you buy a decent PSU cause a cheap one doesn't have any ove or under-current protection and this might cost you a burned MB or CPU (happened to me twice to learn my lesson)
Thanks, I feel at home already.
I should and I am a bit embarrassed over it but the more that goes up in smoke the more I will have to replace, now I can see an upside to this. I bought it when I was at an financially weaker point.

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Originally Posted by omari79 View Post
Indeed, higher FSB = higher performance, you can use games or app benchmarks to see the difference
Well I'm confused but i guess I'll play around and see what sort of results I can get.
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so your CPU's FSB wall is somewhere between 385 and 390 but the results are great, i think that you have the highest rated FSB in this club
I get a feeling this is a good CPU, but i haven't pushed it that far yet.
Edited by arcani - 10/31/10 at 1:08pm
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post #1119 of 1688
Hi again.

I've got the new cooler and now running at 4004 Mhz. 308*13 at 1,425 v.
Occt reports 1,37 v during load (1,42 during monitoring) and ~45 degrees on both cores. I will be testing the stability of this and come back with new results in a couple of days.
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post #1120 of 1688
Hi omari i dunno if u remember me but i am the guy with an msi board that has no voltage control... I am still stuck with the situation but with further tweaking and removing all featuresd that is green or intel speed step i am able to do 3585 = 265*13.5 @ stock volts 1.28 (max of what i get) i am stable prime and linx... Temps never go above 61 with stock cooler... Think i should try and buy a better motherboard and a cooler? its an e5400 vtx support...
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