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Haiti was a dump before the earthquake and it is still a dump after millions of dollars were pumped into fixing it.

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post #22 of 34
Hey all,

I'm mostly a lurker here, but knowing a bit about disaster impacts and disaster relief, I'd like to applaud the OP for the attempt to provide options for those who want to donate.

I would just caution anyone making donations to use Charity Navigator (http://www.charitynavigator.org/) or other sites that give ratings to charitable orgs and NGOs based on how they spend their donations, their conduct, CEO salaries, etc. We all research our PC parts, so it makes sense to research the people you're giving money to as well.

A lot of posts here are pointing out what terrible shape Haiti is still in, and it's true. It's partly due to horrible administration of charitable efforts, absent/corrupt local governance in Haiti, and a whole host of other reasons. However, Haiti is and was an extremely impoverished nation and there are a hell of a lot of people in need. Regular people are suffering without potable water, decent food, or basic sanitation and infrastructure, regardless of the parties responsible for the lack of progress. So if you feel inclined to help these people out, just do a little research first.

Happy holidays,
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I'm going to Haiti in a few weeks.
    
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Why not donate your TIME instead of money? For example I'm sure a lot of us are knowledgeable about other things than just hardware, we are of course computer enthusiasts! (well at least most of us), why not join in doing other things than throwing money at something. For example, do you think that you'll get a great computer system by just buying expensive parts? Of course not, you need to do your homework and research as well. Do you think that if you pay someone else money you'll get the greatest system? Of course not, they need a cut of the money as well. You get much more bang for your buck if you do it yourself.

SO, where does that leave us? I'm sure that most of us have jobs and such and don't really want to take a month long (unpaid?) vacation to help out in some impoverished country we want to relax on our vacation (generally). Not to mention you need to be an "expert" in a field to stay safe and have workers comp and insurance coverage and all that. So you're not a Civil/Structural Engineer, Geologist, SARTech (Search And Rescue Technician), or other expert, again what can you do?

If you're interested in computers and a computer enthusiast why not volunteer your "expertise" in computers? Specifically helping out with GIS systems that are trying to get a bigger picture of the disaster zone? There's tons of "crowdsourcing" GIS projects that YOU as computer enthusiast a can help out with. It doesn't take that much training and as an enthusiast I'm sure you can learn quickly anyways. Open Street Map is one of them, HaitiCrisisMap another, . You don't need to be a Survey Engineer, Quantity Surveyor or anything like that (although it would be a great help) all you need is an internet connection, (maybe some software), time, and an interest in helping.

I do come across as a greedy bastard to a lot of people (especially at my university with a VERY liberal/socialist lean (I myself fall under left of centre on the political spectrum)). I don't donate money to these causes, I donate my TIME, which is a lot more valuable and actually makes more of an impact than throwing money at the problem.

So take a lesson from me (hopefully), next time a disaster hits somewhere in the world hit up your computer and see if there's a way you can volunteer your EXPERTISE and TIME instead of just throwing money at a problem (which if in a backwater/third world country the money usually goes to corrupt officials anyways). Not that I'm saying that money doesn't help but if you have 10 people doing work and 1000 people donating money it's not as effective as 200 people (some full time some part time/voluntary) doing work and 800 people donating money.
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Deleted my post? OK, no problem.

I am reminded of a quote the former Israeli ambassador to Egypt attributed to Hosni Mubarak:

"Foreign aid is taking money from poor people in rich countries and giving it to rich people in poor countries".

Truer words have not been spoken.
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Originally Posted by ikillerzi View Post
NOBODY DONATE TO SALVATION ARMY! One of my cousins married a pastor for them and they are treated like kings. They have a huge house and it's all from money made from salvation army.



Why? The big "nonprofit" organizations make out will tons of cash
Mate all does..the leaders at least. I mean Red Cross guy here retired and wanted a payment of 200k dollars for stepping back - think he got it actually. Also UNICEF is so too. Hijacking people on street with professional sellers....so damn annoying that charity today have gone that far - being an organized business..
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Some of this criticism is valid, but some of it sounds like hearsay or the "he told me that she told me that they told them" type of stuff.

And some - maybe not here as much but I've heard and read it elsewhere - is simple cynicism with no support or evidence. Especially when it comes to Doctors Without Borders/Medicins San Frontieres (MSF).

I give to Doctors Without Borders - they have an excellent reputation and are in it to help the poor with medical care that would otherwise be impossible to receive. On any given day, more than 25,000 workers - local and international - are giving medical and other support aid to victims of floods, wars, famines and other natural and man-made catastrophes around the world.

Both acknowledged sources and people I know whom have traveled extensively say that Doctors Without Borders are doing precious work in many places - Haiti being prime amongst them.

One of the criticisms of organizations like MSF is that they are ineffective - but sometimes it isn't the fault of the organization, it is simply the overwhelming scope of the disaster and the completely ineffective local and international governmental organization that makes the job nearly impossible for the Red Cross, the UN or MSF (Oxfam, etc.,) They are often simply left to fend for themselves, without help of any kind, in trying to stem a tide of disease, injury and plain and simple incompetent administration in the area. And even the biggest NGO cannot act in all capacities at all times in situations that usually are at least chaotic if not in total anarchy.

Organizations like MSF don't function well as police, or as local bureaucrats, or as anything else but caregivers - but they often have to act in capacities like that just because there is no one else doing it. So they may seem mixed up in local or international corruption or in incompetence when they are on their own often merely trying to exist and function day-by-day in a situation that is often complete chaos (like Haiti was in the days following the quake and what it is still far too often found in even now.)

Read this. This will help give you an idea. Also browse over to the PBS website and watch the Frontline episode on the situation in Haiti now - it will open your eyes WIDE about the scale and nature of the Haitian disaster and the challenge of helping a country like Haiti recover from an unprecedented earthquake.

Give in whatever way you can - if you can volunteer, then go and volunteer. If you have money, then give that as well. Sometimes even items (diapers, powdered milk, sheets, towels, etc.,) are accepted if neither of the first two are options.

Anyone aware of the situation in Haiti knows it is awful - and the sad thing is that the earthquake occurred just when it seemed the country was finally starting to emerge from decades of poverty, hurricanes and disease. Whatever you give does help - do some research (which I did) and give to those who do help - like Doctors Without Borders.

If you've gotten this far, thanks for reading this.
ACQ
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Thanks for your post ACharmingQuark

My Religious Studies class was able to raise an overall ~$2500 for relief efforts in Haiti. This was matched dollar for dollar by the Canadian Government.
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Thank you Mega_Option101.

It should be added that NGO's aren't the final answer in Haiti (or in any crisis-struck region or country.) They are band-aids for wounds that will bleed long after an earthquake or a famine or flood is gone.

In the worst-hit places, the problem is more than some natural or man-made catastrophe. It usually is political and economic in nature. Japan is an illustration of this - yes, it is an IMMENSE tragedy, yes, there are many dead and hundreds of thousands displaced. But there is enough local response available that there can be hope for the future. In an impoverished place like Haiti, an earthquake many times less powerful killed many times more people and has effectively made homeless just as many, if not more.

Blaming an NGO for ineffectiveness in some regions of the world is like blaming police that they cannot stop crime in a bad part of a city. Sure, more patrols, more police can help, but if a neighborhood is desperately poor and without hope - how do you stop drug dealing or theft when there are no jobs and no opportunity?

"Pulling oneself up by ones' own bootstrap" is a snarky and arrogant way to dismiss problems that are so much more complex than what human effort alone can tame.

What if you don't have a bootstrap? What if it is broken?

At least some Japanese have bootstraps to try to lift themselves back up, however nearly all Haitians do not.

ACQ

P.S. I have donated to Japan relief and if you are able, please do so yourself.
    
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Thank you Mega_Option101.

It should be added that NGO's aren't the final answer in Haiti (or in any crisis-struck region or country.) They are band-aids for wounds that will bleed long after an earthquake or a famine or flood is gone.

In the worst-hit places, the problem is more than some natural or man-made catastrophe. It usually is political and economic in nature. Japan is an illustration of this - yes, it is an IMMENSE tragedy, yes, there are many dead and hundreds of thousands displaced. But there is enough local response available that there can be hope for the future. In an impoverished place like Haiti, an earthquake many times less powerful killed many times more people and has effectively made homeless just as many, if not more.

Blaming an NGO for ineffectiveness in some regions of the world is like blaming police that they cannot stop crime in a bad part of a city. Sure, more patrols, more police can help, but if a neighborhood is desperately poor and without hope - how do you stop drug dealing or theft when there are no jobs and no opportunity?

"Pulling oneself up by ones' own bootstrap" is a snarky and arrogant way to dismiss problems that are so much more complex than what human effort alone can tame.

What if you don't have a bootstrap? What if it is broken?

At least some Japanese have bootstraps to try to lift themselves back up, however nearly all Haitians do not.

ACQ

P.S. I have donated to Japan relief and if you are able, please do so yourself.
I could not have said it better myself

I do not think anyone can compare Haiti with Japan. They were both affected differently in terms of their natural disasters. Japan is in a much better position than Haiti will ever be in terms of dealing with the consequences.

My heart is with Haiti and Japan and with everyone else that has suffered through unexpected hardships.

ps. I have already donated to Japan relief efforts
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