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The memory is rated 7-7-7-24-2 @ 1600 MHz @ 1.7 Volts. I am unable to get even a boot at that, so I slacked off a bit on the timings to 9-9-9-24-2 @ 1600 MHz @ 1.695 volts. It seems stable but I did an evening/overnight blend test on Prime95 and got a memory error close to the 12 hour mark. I loosened it to 9-9-9-30-2 and repeated and had no issue.

On the OCZtechforums, they told me I should be running a mobo NB Voltage of at least 1.30 a long with a 1.65 volts for the memory for this particular DDR3 set. To be honest, I was really disappointed with this memory from and OCz (used to be my favorite brand) but I am trying to make the best of it.

I do know that the IMC on the 965 is actually rated up to 1333 and that anything over is an overclock. Also using 8GB of ram at 1600 stresses the system way more than 4GB at the same speed, which I think is a very poor design in the first place. Doesn't matter what I think though, I just want to make it work well.

I also will try running Ganged tonight, I can't make any adjustments for a few more hours yet.
What version of BIOS are you using??? F3I improved much in me experience, couldn´t boot a CAS7 before that version, now you can check my config a few posts ago.

Regards and good luck
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Yeah for some reason everything seemed easier. When I got crossfire setup, the first few things I did was install the latest board bios which is F3i (Sep. 25th, 2010) and do a clean install off on Windows 7 x64. Bottom line F3i absolutely destroys F2 (which is what it was before.) I can't stress this enough. Before if I had bad settings, I would immediately have endless reboots and have to clear CMOS, now with those same settings I make it all the way to Prime95 testing with just simple rounding errors.

I was trying everything again and just about every setting passed POST and eventually into Desktop before I got a crash. I will keep tweaking my settings tonight as I am still getting memory errors running at 1600 MHz.

For the first time ever I was able to run 4.009 GHz on air + Windows x64, and had absolutely no problems for 5 minutes, when it did a hard reboot, the temps were steady at 55c, but rather than pursuing a stable 4 GHz clock, I toned it down a notch.

I noticed that I am getting memory errors on Blend test with Prime95 with Cool and Quiet re-enabled, but the exact same timings/voltages on a semi-stable overclock (1 hour on Small FFT, 1 hour on Blend). When I enabled C&Q it was Hardware Error Rounding within 5 minutes on either test.

Any reason for that? The speeds were 3.8GHz, 2.6Ghz NB, 2.2GHz HT, 1.45v CPU Core (+50), 1.200 CPU NB (+100), DDR (1.54v <- Amazing I know), NB Voltage (1.160), Normal for HT voltage.

Also before I got it stable, the memory is 100% unstable at anything over 1.565/580 can someone explain this? The only non-error timings able to be used were 9-9-9-30-2 @ 1600 with C&Q disabled but C1E left on enabled.

I have the H50 pump running at full power still. Was trying to get idle speeds under 40c (load was 52~53c), not amazing but definitely within my acceptable limits. Since I can get my idles down to 32c with C&Q enabled, I kinda wanted to get under 40c, although I know 40c is not bad.

This is just my idea, but I am going to post all my system information and settings here once its finished being tweak, for future reference for anybody else having problems.

My stability issues stem from simple rounding errors on Blend P95, or for BSOD at extremely low Memory Addresses like 0x00000165 or 0x000000FA. I am not getting any flat out reboots under 3.950 Ghz so I think it is still memory requiring some work done.
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Yes, it´s really odd what's happening yo you...

¿Did you run Memtest? => http://www.memtest86.com/

Use v3.4 instead of v3.5 cause last one crashes with 4gb of ram or more.

In my little-to-none experiencie, HT overclocking gives nothing but stability problems, with HT@2200 I´d got ramdom BSOD's once in a while, after lowering it back to 2000mhz never again got a BSOD.

If I have to guess, I think your RAM is giving you all these headaches...

Best Regards

PS: If you don´t want to enable BIOS C&Q for whatever reason, you can use PhenomMsrTweaker, its awesome, I´m using it to preserve C&Q function while overclocking cpu multiplier.
Edited by elbubi - 10/6/10 at 1:59pm
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The memory is clean on MemTest86+, that was the first thing I took care of on the OCZTechForums. BUT, with all settings to default/AUTO, except the multiplier was 8.00x on Memory to make it run at 1600.

I used MemTest86+ v 4.04 I think it was... whatever was on the Hiren's boot disc about 7 months ago, so its not old.

Today though, I chucked the H50 in the closet and installed the Cooler Master V6 GT, something they had in CompUSA. I just don't like blowing air into my system from the exhaust. With a Crossfire setup of a 5870 XXX and a 5850 OC... its ridiculous the temps can get without having to manually pump up the fan percentage (45%+) to keep it under 75c while benchmarking for stability.

Well long story short, I had to remove the memory from their banks yet again, and of course tear out the motherboard... look at what I notice... the exact same memory/heatsink/stickers/sku numbers yet two of the modules are green and two are black, I never noticed before due to the insanely tall, black HPC heat pipe/sink on these suckers.

Now I know dual channel setups back in the day used to use 0/2 and 1/3 slots for alike memory... What I had was Dimm0 - Green/ Dimm1 - Black / Dimm2 - Black / Dimm-3 Green. I am sure that wasn't probably the best, that can be problematic for sure when ordering memory at two different times I suppose.

I removed one of the heatsinks off of the memory to get new heatsink to fit. Cleaned up the CPU, repasted, put on the GT V6, which takes a good hour or (1 hour and half if you accidentally get a screw lodged behind the motherboard shelf after everything is reassembled), tore appart my 5870 XXX, always bothered me that there were high idle temps, cleaned it out (not that it really needed it) and re-used some cooler master thermal gel I had.

I am currently running about 5c cooler under load, despite having Push/Pull on the H50, and upgraded fans, plus 10 case fans, including a few jerry rigged spot cooled 120mm silenx/coolermaster fans.

I know the volts are high, but it was 12:56 am, and I have to get up at 6:30 am for work... so I will tweak it later but as of right now, this is what is passing Prime95.

Phenom II x4 965 BE (C3) @ 3.71665 GHz (18.5 x 200.9)
Northbridge is running at 2600 MHz (13x Multi)
HT is now running at 2000 MHz (Auto)

Memory Settings:
Rated: DDR3 1600 MHz @ 7-7-7-24 @ 1.7v

Stable between 1.500 - 1.565v
Speed 1333 or 1600
1333 Timings: 7-7-7-30 @ 1.500v (per JEDEC#3)
1600 Timings: 9-9-9-30 @ 1.565v (outside of JEDEC#4)

Unstable between 1.565 - 1.650v
1333 Timings: N/A
1600 Timings: N/A


OCZ Support Requested Testing:
Stable between 1.650 - 1.71v (WITH a minimum of +0.100 on NB Motherboard)
1333 Timings: 7-7-7-22 @ 1.680v / 1.200
1600 Timings: 7-7-7-24 @ 1.695v / 1.300

When I say stable, I am able to get into Windows and not blue screen, that doesn't mean I can pass Prime95 Blend test.

I began receiving errors within seconds/minutes of Hardware Failure. I took the advice from post above and removed the HT overclock of 200 MHz so set it back to AUTO.

I was able to run Prime95 Blend tests for at least 10 Minutes and re-verified it twice, the instant I overclock the HT even slightly Prime95 failed in under 2 minutes tops and as soon as 5 seconds, however having it off gave me at least 10 tests passed if not an entire segment of iterations completed before first failure was noted. Now that I had one hurdle out of the way, thanks Eldubi, the memory was still not passing Prime95. With F3i bios at least, it has let me get into Windows 7 (x64) running at 7-7-7-24. Another problem is I am using 8GB in 4 dimm slots as opposed to just two slots, which overworks the IMC... still a somewhat backwards hardware design in my opinion.

However, since I have blown so much money on just cooling over the last month, I seriously can not afford jack (computer parts) anymore. Not even a fan controller. So this is my bed, and now I am lying in it. Feeling a little defeated. I decide to re-look at the CPU. I decided to take the downclock down a bit from 3.85 to what it sits at now.

Still no dice, as it is still getting hardware errors.

Time to up the voltage everywhere but memory, I refuse to go any higher on the mem.

I don't know how the CPU NB VID works, why its even there, but someone somewhere said it was important for NB overclock and Memory stability, and if you are getting BSOD / Blend failures to adjust this first before upping Vcore.

Phenom II x4 965 BE (C3) @ 3.71665 GHz (18.5 x 200.9)
Northbridge is running at 2600 MHz (13x Multi)
HT is now running at 2000 MHz (Auto)
8192 MB DDR3 @ 1600 (7-7-7-24-2)

DDR3 - 1.695v <--- Medium Red on Mobo
NB - 1.300v <--- Really Red on Mobo
CPU NB Vid - 1.225v (+.125)
CPU Volt - 1.450v

Temperatures (idle)
Core0: 34
Core1: 33
Core2: 33
Core3: 34

Temperatures (load @ 15 minutes)
Core0: 57
Core1: 56
Core2: 57
Core3: 56

57 seems to be the wall, and this is with the GT V6 running on Mobo regulation (which at most seems to be 75%.)

It was running stable this morning. I have left it running, hopefully, I can come back to a Prime95 blend with 0 errors. I will post the info then.

P.S. I discovered that you can now leave C&Q on as it is automagically disabled (despite showing enabled) at 3.800 GHz+ (Only in Bios F3i).
Edited by RagingCain - 10/7/10 at 7:13am
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Question on Updating BIOS / Clearing CMOS...

Is there any way to keep the RAID settings when flashing to a new BIOS... I don't think I have F3i on my MB (will check when I get home) but due to other events I think it will be best to clear my CMOS / BIOS because I get a hanging boot during power up or restart and a screen saying that the machine had a unstable OC (which the MB is at all stock settings).

I have a RAID 0 and when I went from F2 to F3 I had issues since the MB booted up and stuck some file on one of the HDD's not through the RAID controller so my RAID was no longer viable and I had to do a clean restart... (I would still back up my important information before doing the BIOS flash and CMOS clear... but is there a way to lock the RAID configuration?
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I have two raid-0 configurations when I flashed the new bios, and then I reformatted by choice afterwards.

I can't guarantee success, however, it was as simple as going in and changing my SATA back from IDE to Raid as SATA Type. All the configurations from what I have seen are saved with the Raid Controller's on board memory, not the BIOS. All the bios does is tell the POST to execute Raid Controller startup/setup/bios once POST has passed successfully.

I am sure if I am wrong someone will point that out.

I do know if you flash the firmware on the Raid Controller, the AMD, Jmicron, or Marvel, you will lose all prior configuration data.

Note:
When you say the BIOS put something on your harddrive, the only thing I can think of it was doing was making a backup img of the current ROM to HDD. I always try to flash through Windows (using Gigabytes app from the website) whenever possible. Thats exactly what I did, and it worked afterwards. If the BIOS does make a backup to disc, at least the GB app is using the Raid configuration because it has to.

This is just from my experience with this board alone, though, nothing I have really read up on. This is the first computer I have ever made a Raid on, and I only did it because of how easy/convenient this board made it.
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I have found two more triggers that stop C&Q automatically in F3i Bios. Raising CPU NB +0.100 (1.200) and getting the actual NB 2600 or over.
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After a bunch of testing, I saw temps of 60c being hit at a load of just 3.71/3.80 due to the stable settings from OCz forums i.e. 1.72 DDR3 and 1.300 CPU NB (+0.200v). I would idle low 40s and easily hit 62c heat spikes with such a mild overclock.

I realize that the CPU NB frequency also benefits from the CPU NB voltage as well as the memory controller... so I have to either sacrifice CPU Speed & NB Speed for Cooling Temperatures and Memory Speed.

Currently Running:
Phenom II X4 965 (C3) @ 3.615 GHz
CPU NB Freq: 2.4107 GHz
CPU Vcore: 1.34v (-0.50v in bios for 1.35v)
CPU NB: 1.175v (+0.75v in bios for 1.175v)

Memory:
8 GB DDR3 1600 MHz @ 7-7-7-24-2-110ns-110ns-110ns-110ns-8-4-27
DDR Voltage: 1.71v (1.725v in bios)

I believe my thermal ceiling is about 50~52c on a full load. CPU Fan regulated by motherboard (so only about 75% at 49~53c). Ambients in the condo of 24c and ambient at computer closer to 26c.

The CoolerMaster V6 GT does work better for me than the H50, but I am not entirely convinced had I a larger case and perhaps a better mounting solution such as the top as opposed to intake from the back, or even the front, the H50 may indeed be a very decent high end hybrid cooler. Unfortunately my computer now sounds almost as loud as a car sitting idled and parked... might need to get some acoustic insulation with fan controlling. I also think I just got unlucky and have a really hot processor.

Anybody know why I would be getting a hard crash running Prime95 Small FFT AND Furmark? Not any errors cropping up when ran separately. I am not upping the voltages till I see an error in Prime95 so perhaps anybody can shed some light?

I know its really stressful, and no game will be pumping out that much stress on both CPU and GPUs, but I think ATis driver is the culprit not my overclock. Wondering if anyone with Crossfire (mine is a 5870 XXX with a 5850 OC) having issues with something like this?
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Just Updating My Latest Settings:
Currently Running:
Phenom II X4 965 (C3) @ 3.71625 GHz
CPU NB Freq: 2.4107 GHz
CPU Vcore: 1.40v (Normal in bios for 1.40v)
CPU NB: 1.225v (+.125v in bios for 1.225v)
Everthing else is on Auto/Normal.

Memory:
8 GB DDR3 1600 MHz @ 7-7-7-20-1-110ns-110ns-110ns-110ns-8-4-27
DDR Voltage: 1.71v (1.725v in bios)

1 Hour of Small FFTs, no errors. Max temp was 55c and running at 54c.
2 Hours of Blend, no errors (still running.) Idle temps 35~37c, full load 53c~54c.
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Snowdevil
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ASUS G750JM
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
[i7 4790K @ 4.4 GHz (1.186v)] [Asus Sabertooth Z97 Mark S] [nVidia Geforce GTX 1080] [nVidia Geforce GTX 1080] 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
[G.Skill 32GB DDR3 2133 MHz] [Crucial MX100 256GB] [Phanteks PH-TC12DX] [Win 10.1 Pro] 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
[LG 29UM65 (2560x1080)] [QNIX Evo II LED (2560x1440)] [WASD v2 Tenkeyless] [NZXT Hale90 v2 ] 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
[ThermalTake GT10 Snow Edition] [Razer Mamba - Chroma] [Razer Kabuto] [Razer Man O' War] 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770HQ Intel HM87 Express Chipset Geforce GTX 860M 8GB DDR3L 1600 MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Samsung SSD EVO DVD-RW Stock Windows 8.1 
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1920x1080 TN 
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post #750 of 916
Glad to hear you're solving it out
Edited by elbubi - 10/8/10 at 3:05pm
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