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enjoy wasting your money.

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm
http://www.audioholics.com/education...-you-snake-oil
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http://www.audioholics.com/education...do-they-matter
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At the same time I could post numerous articles that say they make a difference. I even have an audio magazine here where it talks about it.

I mean, I believe analogue cables can make a difference because i've heard it first hand. I didn't notice changing my speaker cable, but did notice a difference when switching my RCA cables.
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anybody can talk about it. science and measurements are what matter.
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anybody can talk about it. science and measurements are what matter.
I can't really be bothered to Google stuff as i'm playing FM11 atm. But, to be honest, i've noticed a difference with RCA cables, so I know in myself, there is a difference.

I did however purchase a £30 optical cable to upgrade from a £1.99 one... and yes, it made no difference. The only advantage is that it won't break as easy if bent. Same with speaker cable, I noticed no difference when switching it or using different lengths, although I have relatively low end speakers.

My setup is

Asus P6T Optical Out > Ixos optical cable > Cambridge Audio DacMagic > AudioQuest Ruby Cable > Cambridge Audio Azur 640A > QED XT Evolution Cable / QED Performance 1 RCA > Wharfedale 9.1 + Acoustic Energy Aegis neo V2
post #625 of 3147
Never heard a difference between cables before. I tried and failed spectacularly despite replaying the same passage for hours. Although acoustic memory is fairly short so it's not a perfect test.

Tried comparing Canare 4S11, Belkin 1694A, and 16 gauge Rocketfish from Bestbuy.

Cable quality will make a big difference in long runs to eliminate interference yes...in your living room or at your desk in 8 - 12 foot runs it should make no difference unless you are running a stack of IBM servers over the speaker wire.
Edited by astrallite - 5/4/11 at 4:29pm
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Never heard a difference between cables before. I tried and failed spectacularly despite replaying the same passage for hours. Although acoustic memory is fairly short so it's not a perfect test.
I used to be of the mind that cables cannot make a difference, that was until I heard the Cardas cable for the HD600. I was convinced that it was something other than the cable that was changing the sound so me and another HeadFi member spent a few hours comparing our amps, dacs, HD600s and various cables and both came to the conclusion that the Cardas cable was the item improving the sound. This isn't to say that expensive cable will always change the sound (we tested some that was "better" than the Cardas but sounded the same as stock to both of us). Even though it was not a scientific test we did our best to blind test each other and keep our thoughts to ourselves until the end as not to influence each others'.

I still hold firm to the belief that the majority of expensive cabling is a waste of money but that certain cables can make a difference in certain setups, it's a case of finding which one and then deciding if it's worth the cost. I have various other cables that I've tested and compared between my DAC and amp but I've never heard a difference in those.
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I used to be of the mind that cables cannot make a difference, that was until I heard the Cardas cable for the HD600.
Usually a scientific test can either validate your believes or question your senses.

And we are talking about comparing speaker cables that can approach 1cm thick. Headphone cables are a different animal because the gauge is extremely thin and there will be significant differences due to resistive losses, and it will pick up noise and interference much easier and small things can make a difference. I don't doubt there will be differences in the cable; the low gauge almost guarantees that.

In addition with your ears plastered right next to the drivers even the most minute difference would be heard. I'm sure if I compared an 11 gauge twisted quad cable vs a some cheap 20 gauge pc speaker cable and put my ears an inch from a speaker and you started playing test tones I'd eventually hear a difference, and there obviously would be notable measurable differences in a lab.
Edited by astrallite - 5/5/11 at 1:37am
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Usually a scientific test can either validate your believes or question your senses.

And we are talking about comparing speaker cables that can approach 1cm thick. Headphone cables are a different animal because the gauge is extremely thin and there will be significant differences due to resistive losses, and it will pick up noise and interference much easier and small things can make a difference. I don't doubt there will be differences in the cable; the low gauge almost guarantees that.
The cable run for headphones is so short that the resistive loss is nearly nil anyways. Not to mention you aren't sending anywhere close to the same voltage/amperage as with a large speaker. And how is a headphone cable able to pick up interference better than a speaker cable?

In a headphone, if you do hear any difference (would need a blind test to convince me), the major differences would be in the quality of connection rather than the shielding/cable material iteself.
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I used to be of the mind that cables cannot make a difference, that was until I heard the Cardas cable for the HD600. I was convinced that it was something other than the cable that was changing the sound so me and another HeadFi member spent a few hours comparing our amps, dacs, HD600s and various cables and both came to the conclusion that the Cardas cable was the item improving the sound. This isn't to say that expensive cable will always change the sound (we tested some that was "better" than the Cardas but sounded the same as stock to both of us). Even though it was not a scientific test we did our best to blind test each other and keep our thoughts to ourselves until the end as not to influence each others'.

I still hold firm to the belief that the majority of expensive cabling is a waste of money but that certain cables can make a difference in certain setups, it's a case of finding which one and then deciding if it's worth the cost. I have various other cables that I've tested and compared between my DAC and amp but I've never heard a difference in those.
Thank you for that post.
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The cable run for headphones is so short that the resistive loss is nearly nil anyways. Not to mention you aren't sending anywhere close to the same voltage/amperage as with a large speaker. And how is a headphone cable able to pick up interference better than a speaker cable?

In a headphone, if you do hear any difference (would need a blind test to convince me), the major differences would be in the quality of connection rather than the shielding/cable material iteself.
Again, I claim to know nothing of headphones, but standard headphone cable is 22 gauge. I don't know what you consider "short" but the typical headphone cables for decent headphones are around 10 feet. I would never run 20-22 gauge cables on a 10 foot run and call that "loss-less", but your mileage may vary.
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