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Wow.. Ok this ends it. http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/X16_GS/X1600.htm


And no, its not a ring bus. Just a regular ol' 128-bit bus. This is how its been up until recently.
Dude? What are you talking about? How does that end it? The only bus that review mentions is the memory bus:

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X1600 series and its disappointing to see this is the case. Rather than stick with the 256bit bus used by the X1800 the X1600 uses a 128bit bus…this could severely hamper the performance of the card
the x1800 series has always had a 512bit ring bus (<-> 256), 256 bit memory bus, and the x1600 has always had a 256bit (<-> 128) ring bus, 128 memory. Btw if you want to become more knowledgeable about 3d hardware, I suggest you start reading B3D.

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Both RV530 and RV515 utilise 128-bit memory buses, given that they are both addressing the lower end of the graphics market, however while the external bus widths are the same, internally they both have different buses. RV530 adopts a similar Ring Bus mechanism as R520, but in this case the alternate direction ring buses are both 128-bit in width as opposed to 256-bit, with 4 memory controllers allowing for 32-bit access granularity. Due to the size of the ring bus requirements, RV515 utilises a more traditional crossbar mechanism, although unlike previous Radeons 4 controllers are used, again giving 32-bit granularity for the 4 memory channels, which allows for more flexibility with HyperMemory configurations. Other memory optimisations featured in R520, such as fully associative caches, Hierarchical Z buffer test, Z compression and anti-aliasing colour compression are all present on both RV530 and RV515.
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Dude? What are you talking about? How does that end it? The only bus that review mentions is the memory bus:



the x1800 series has always had a 512bit ring bus (<-> 256), 256 bit memory bus, and the x1600 has always had a 256bit (<-> 128) ring bus, 128 memory. Btw if you want to become more knowledgeable about 3d hardware, I suggest you start reading B3D.
Read what I say c'mon. The OLDER X1600XT's didnt have a ring bus even. It had a plain 128-bit bus. The recently made it a 128-bit ring bus. And if I want to become more knowledgable on it? I think im knowledgable enough, you just arnt getting what I am saying or know about the older X1600's. Its that simple.
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ATI is doing a respin on the X1600 series of cards. The 256 bit bus that all of you are referring too is actually the memory bus not the ring bus. The ring bus however is 256 bit and has always been 256 bit on the X1600 series of cards. ATI has decided to add a 256 bit memory bus because the X1600 series of cards did not perform up too expectations.
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Originally Posted by Jori
Read what I say c'mon. The OLDER X1600XT's didnt have a ring bus even. It had a plain 128-bit bus. The recently made it a 128-bit ring bus. And if I want to become more knowledgable on it? I think im knowledgable enough, you just arnt getting what I am saying or know about the older X1600's. Its that simple.
Did you read what I quoted? ATI would not redesign the rv530 to change it from a crossbar bus to a ring bus, simple as that. In fact, if you visited ati's website from the debut of the x1600 series, you would see that it has always been refered to as ring bus. And if ATI did change it from crossbar to ring, it wouldn't stick with the rv530 nomenclature.
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ATI is doing a respin on the X1600 series of cards. The 256 bit bus that all of you are referring too is actually the memory bus not the ring bus. The ring bus however is 256 bit and has always been 256 bit on the X1600 series of cards. ATI has decided to add a 256 bit memory bus because the X1600 series of cards did not perform up too expectations.
Actually Im referring to the ring bus. However there are rumors that ati will be releasing a 256bit x1600 on the 1900 launch. As to whether or not that is true, Im not sure. However thanks for agreeing that the x1600 is 256bit ring bus/128bit memory.
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Originally Posted by alpha732
Actually Im referring to the ring bus. However there are rumors that ati will be releasing a 256bit x1600 on the 1900 launch. As to whether or not that is true, Im not sure. However thanks for agreeing that the x1600 is 256bit ring bus/128bit memory.
It appears that the card in question. The one linked in this thread has a 256 bit memory interface. However this could be a typo on Neweggs part. The reason I say this is why release a cheaper 256 bit Pro model and kill the sales of your more expensive XT model. But as stated previously ALL X1600 series of cards have a 256 bit ring bus and up until now have had a 128 bit memory bus. It is a fact that ATI is doing a respin of the X1600 series which will include a 256 bit ring bus AND a 256 bit memory bus. I have also heard rumour that these cards MAY BE rebranded as the X1700 series of cards.
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Blah.. http://legionhardware.com/document.php?id=502
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However, the Radeon X1600XT can utilize either GDDR1/2 or 3 on a 128-bit memory bus in either 128 or 256MB configurations
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These are quite high specifications, but again like the pixel pipelines they are limited by the 128-bit memory bus.
If it was a 256-bit ring bus then it they wouldnt be saying "limited by".
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Blah.. http://legionhardware.com/document.php?id=502




If it was a 256-bit ring bus then it they wouldnt be saying "limited by".
JORI, I just read the link that you posted and it clearly reads "let down by it's 128 bit MEMORY bus" the memory bus and the ring bus are 2 different things. So basically in your effort too google us and prove us wrong you wound up making yourself look a bit foolish.
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JORI, I just read the link that you posted and it clearly reads "let down by it's 128 bit MEMORY bus" the memory bus and the ring bus are 2 different things. So basically in your effort too google us and prove us wrong you wound up making yourself look a bit foolish.
Qft. The memory bus and ring bus are not synonomous. Read the b3d quote above, clearly states 128bit mem bus and 256 ring bus
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