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post #8761 of 14265
Another fan I sleeved, this time a Fractal Design R2 140mm that came with my R4. This one actually took me a lot of trial and error until I got it right. The couple first attempts went a bit bad (sleeve fraying) because I had to custom-length the sleeve on-the-fly. That means it's too risky to burn the edges (the wires are in your way) so I ended up cutting it to where it was still good and re-crimping the fan. The original pins weren't crimped too great anyway (ie, not flush with the connector). After that I went on and used mdpc-x 4:1 pre-cut until where it meets the connector. Then, I applied 20mm 3:1 mdpc-x sata shrink onto it.

On fans that have a connector with full rails (those tiny rails that help it slide down the header) you can't grip enough with the sata shrink so you either have to use the super-glue method (look @ Lutro0's vid) or try the method I used. At first, the pre-cut holds the sleeve on the wires so it locks in place, then the sata is laid onto it and therefore can't move backwards from the plastic connector, I'm posting this because I really think it's a good tip and I didn't find another way to do this properly. It doesn't matter if you use a 20mm a whole inch sata shrink, it will always slide back if you don't have enough grip on the connector (like in Lutro0's vid).

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Edited by adi518 - 2/20/13 at 1:42pm
post #8762 of 14265
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Originally Posted by goodtobeking View Post

Well just to note. MDPC-X is open right now if anyone wants to make an order for anything. May be a little more expensive, but you wont have to worry about any quality issues. They have pride in having the best crimpers that actually crimp into the wires like you were describing.



EDIT: I cant comment on personal use, as mine should be here tomorrow or Friday!! But I did get my hands on some of their sleeve and shrink through a user here, who was kind enough to give me a sample, and it is high quality stuff.

I have to laugh every time I hear someone say their crimp tool is 'bestest of the bestest' because it dives into the insulation of the wire in the shape of an 'm'. All I can see that you are doing is tearing the insulation apart, nothing more. Saying it is stronger is pure BS without some data to back it up. The real strength of the crimp is actually on the shorter wings where there is no insulation at all, direct to the copper wire.

In fact, one of the best hand crimp tools made (by Molex, P/N 638190900) uses the fold over method on the insulation crimps, so how can someone say this is a bad thing when the designer of the connectors themselves has designed a high quality crimp tool this way.

Of course I have no data to prove this at all, but I will throw a challenge out there to anyone that might want to help. I have the above mentioned Molex crimp tool, the cheap azz PPC's Crimp tool, and unlimited access to a $25,000 pull tester. If someone will ship me their MDPC or Lutro crimper (or both, as I was unaware Lutro had a crimper) for a few days I can test the crimp strength of the resulting crimps from each of the tools above. If you have another tool to add to the mix, we can add that too.

Has anyone done or seen this testing before across the available crimp tools? I have never seen it if it has already been done, and would love to see it.
Edited by 350 Malibu - 2/20/13 at 4:49pm
post #8763 of 14265
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Originally Posted by 350 Malibu View Post

All I can see that you are doing is tearing the insulation apart, nothing more. Saying it is stronger is pure BS without some data to back it up. The real strength of the crimp is actually on the shorter wings where there is no insulation at all, direct to the copper wire.



Of course, all of what you said is completely true and I'd love to see a 'proper' comparison. thumb.gif
post #8764 of 14265
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Originally Posted by BuToNz View Post



Of course, all of what you said is completely true and I'd love to see a 'proper' comparison. thumb.gif

Badass, Lol. Seriously it's all hooplah without some data to prove it one way or the other. Like I said I just find it humorous when someone makes a claim about a product being the 'best' with nothing to back it up. thumb.gif
post #8765 of 14265
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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Of course, all of what you said is completely true and I'd love to see a 'proper' comparison. thumb.gif

LOL that made my day.

But I see where you are coming from 350 Malibu. And I agree that a direct comparison would be incredibly valuable to have here. I was just basing my opinion on what I have read, and not just the MDPC website lol. Lots of users here rave about it, and it cant be any worst off than DirtyTrickster with his crimper(which I almost bought since I am a supporter of PPC). I also didnt know Lutro had a set of crimpers either

I actually just got my package from Nils in today and I am going to be putting it to use here in about an hour. Cool thing about Nils over at MDPC, is that he tests each crimper and adjusts them before he ships it out, and ships you the used crimps to prove it.

I may take you up on loaning you my crimper if you do a good review, comparison, and write up about it. Like I said, it would be a great thing to have here. Mainly to warn people about bad crimpers, but would be nice to know what is the best as well. But that is only after I am done with it, at least this build, which might be a while.
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post #8766 of 14265
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I have to laugh every time I hear someone say their crimp tool is 'bestest of the bestest' because it dives into the insulation of the wire in the shape of an 'm'. All I can see that you are doing is tearing the insulation apart, nothing more. Saying it is stronger is pure BS without some data to back it up. The real strength of the crimp is actually on the shorter wings where there is no insulation at all, direct to the copper wire.

In fact, one of the best hand crimp tools made (by Molex, P/N 638190900) uses the fold over method on the insulation crimps, so how can someone say this is a bad thing when the designer of the connectors themselves has designed a high quality crimp tool this way.

Of course I have no data to prove this at all, but I will throw a challenge out there to anyone that might want to help. I have the above mentioned Molex crimp tool, the cheap azz PPC's Crimp tool, and unlimited access to a $25,000 pull tester. If someone will ship me their MDPC or Lutro crimper (or both, as I was unaware Lutro had a crimper) for a few days I can test the crimp strength of the resulting crimps from each of the tools above. If you have another tool to add to the mix, we can add that too.

Has anyone done or seen this testing before across the available crimp tools? I have never seen it if it has already been done, and would love to see it.
You might be hard pressed to find people willing to ship out their tools. I have a tyco Val u lok crimp tool here at work that I could crimp some samples with and send to you. I'd just need part numbers of wire and contacts as well as total length of wire (end if contact to end of wire) as well as length of wire w/o insulation crimped. Also a quantity.
    
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post #8767 of 14265
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LOL that made my day.

But I see where you are coming from 350 Malibu. And I agree that a direct comparison would be incredibly valuable to have here. I was just basing my opinion on what I have read, and not just the MDPC website lol. Lots of users here rave about it, and it cant be any worst off than DirtyTrickster with his crimper(which I almost bought since I am a supporter of PPC). I also didnt know Lutro had a set of crimpers either

I actually just got my package from Nils in today and I am going to be putting it to use here in about an hour. Cool thing about Nils over at MDPC, is that he tests each crimper and adjusts them before he ships it out, and ships you the used crimps to prove it.

I may take you up on loaning you my crimper if you do a good review, comparison, and write up about it. Like I said, it would be a great thing to have here. Mainly to warn people about bad crimpers, but would be nice to know what is the best as well. But that is only after I am done with it, at least this build, which might be a while.

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Originally Posted by DirtyTrickster View Post

You might be hard pressed to find people willing to ship out their tools. I have a tyco Val u lok crimp tool here at work that I could crimp some samples with and send to you. I'd just need part numbers of wire and contacts as well as total length of wire (end if contact to end of wire) as well as length of wire w/o insulation crimped. Also a quantity.

I think it would make for an excellent and informative experiment. Having people send me their tools is probably a little extreme, but it adds operator to operator variation to the testing. Ideally your only variation should be the tools, eliminating different types of crimp connectors, wire types/vendors, as well as the operator. For this it would be feasible to have some operator variation, since no one operator will crimp the same even using the same tool there will always be operator variation (noise).

Let me see if I can put together a test plan this week. If I can get some takers with different tool types, perhaps I could pre-cut/strip the sample wires and supply the standard molex brand crimp connectors for those willing to do some crimping. I could mail the supplies, you do the crimping, then send them back for testing. wink.gif
post #8768 of 14265
Quick question...is this..
http://lutro0-customs.theshoppad.com/#/product/4mm-tight-braid-a-v-pet-blue-black-1ft
The same size as this..
http://lutro0-customs.theshoppad.com/#/product/550-paracord-royal-blue-new-stock-25-feet
.???
I'm hoping so because I want to incorporate 1 or 2 strands into my black and blue 24 pin
Thanks guys!
post #8769 of 14265
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Originally Posted by Jwright0291 View Post

Quick question...is this..
http://lutro0-customs.theshoppad.com/#/product/4mm-tight-braid-a-v-pet-blue-black-1ft
The same size as this..
http://lutro0-customs.theshoppad.com/#/product/550-paracord-royal-blue-new-stock-25-feet
.???
I'm hoping so because I want to incorporate 1 or 2 strands into my black and blue 24 pin
Thanks guys!

The PET is plastic type sleeving. Paracord is not the same. The PET would have a shine to it.
post #8770 of 14265
Do you think it would look alright to blend the blue black together or should I do something else with the PET?
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