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^---- Nice to sort of see which cases have enough room and which don't. I've thought about switching out cases for a HAFX or other 9 slot case. Would be nice to have that bottom PCI-E slot a little more accessible. I'm rather partial to my Sniper though and figure a system upgrade isn't too far over the horizon.......

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Hehe, glad they worked out for you, and thanks for the recognition.

Been awhile since I've posted in this thread. I've been running my 4.2Ghz OC in my sig for over a year now, with power saving features enabled, and she still runs like a champ. So much so that I essentially have turned her into a 24/7 video encoding box that does HD projects for my home media library. She fills up 2TB hard drives faster than I can buy them these days.

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Glad to see you around. Would you care to elaborate on what sort of setup you are using for your home media library ? Very intrerested in what you have going on there.
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You know, having the flexibility of my 9 slot case (HAF X) is great especially since I'm about to upgrade here in about a month or so (adding a second and perhaps 3rd GTX 480 and maybe a 560ti for physx) and I know I'll be able to fit it all inside my case you know. No tin snip required (though I have them and a dremel just in case lol). I think that unless your moving your tower around a lot, that stepping up to a HAF X is a good idea as it'll give you a ton more room (and with more room means more inflow (usually) which leads to my next point) and cooling power so your components will stay much cooler and last longer for you. Also, the HAF X, much like everything else Cooler Master has put out in at least the past few years, is a very well made case that will last you for years if not a decade or 2 if you take care of it. Just some food for thought. Good luck on your upgrade/new build.

I too am interested if a Vortex 3 (or other new SSD) will operate at full speed on the P6X58D Premium/-E's Marvell controller or not. I mean I know that if you can sacrifice the PCI-E slot and have the cash that the best option is to get a SATA 3 card but will the onboard controller keep up or not? I know i have unusually high results on my Premium with a SATA 3 Micron RealSSD C300 128 GB SSD for both sequential read/write and random read/write. I guess ill just have to buy it and see huh? If anyone knows please let us know before we are grossly disappointed ourselves.

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Glad to see you around. Would you care to elaborate on what sort of setup you are using for your home media library ? Very intrerested in what you have going on there.
I use makemkv to rip down all of my DVD's and blu-rays to mkv files....decrypts them and allows you to keep which subtitles and audio tracks you like, then slaps it into an mkv container. I then use xvid4psp to re-encode with x264. It is a time consuming process though, and a project that I have been working on for months. For 1080p video I usually re-encode to 10-12 Mbps, for 720p video 4-5000 Kbps, and for 480 video....1000-1500kbps. Depends on the shows/movies. I have found that when it comes to HD video, I can't tell a lick of difference between a blu-ray disc at 1080p and one of my re-encodes @720p and 4000kbps. At least I can't tell on my 46" LCD....and it takes a 25GB blu-ray and compresses it down to a 3-6GB file.

I don't have any special method of file storage right now, but when I upgrade to Z68 in the coming months I'm going to turn this rig into my media server/encoder/streamer, and probably set up a RAID 5 array on the intel ports. I know it isn't the best performer, but as long as it can stream movies ok its fine with me.

For playback I just stream it to a WD Live TV media player.
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I use makemkv to rip down all of my DVD's and blu-rays to mkv files....decrypts them and allows you to keep which subtitles and audio tracks you like, then slaps it into an mkv container.
Off topic, but since it was asked, I took a different approach. I didn't want to have to load all my DVDs and BRs more than once, so I ripped with AnyDVD to AVCHD format for BT, and VIDEO_TS for DVD, which is lossless, and maintains the menu strutures. VLC and Media Player Classic will both play those, so I just share the drives across the computers. Also, my BR player (Oppo-93) has USB and eSATA ports for directly connected drives, and so there are copies of the BR drives connected to that (it also will play AVCHDs.)

For streaming to other devices (and DVD on the Oppo), I then used makemkv on the rips and pointed Twonky at them.

Uses more storage that way, but $85 2T drives cost less then my time for the couple weeks to rip all our movies.

BTW, the load on the server, once you've ripped the movies, is minimal, assuming a good 1 Gig ethernet port. Highest throughput I've seen is a little over 40 Mbs on Avatar with the lossless sound track - barely a ripple on the server to feed that.

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Off topic, but since it was asked, I took a different approach. I didn't want to have to load all my DVDs and BRs more than once, so I ripped with AnyDVD to AVCHD format for BT, and VIDEO_TS for DVD, which is lossless, and maintains the menu strutures. VLC and Media Player Classic will both play those, so I just share the drives across the computers. Also, my BR player (Oppo-93) has USB and eSATA ports for directly connected drives, and so there are copies of the BR drives connected to that (it also will play AVCHDs.)

For streaming to other devices (and DVD on the Oppo), I then used makemkv on the rips and pointed Twonky at them.

Uses more storage that way, but $85 2T drives cost less then my time for the couple weeks to rip all our movies.

BTW, the load on the server, once you've ripped the movies, is minimal, assuming a good 1 Gig ethernet port. Highest throughput I've seen is a little over 40 Mbs on Avatar with the lossless sound track - barely a ripple on the server to feed that.

eric
I thought about keeping everything in raw lossless form, but when it came time to make final decisions, I decided it just wasn't worth it to keep all of that stuff that I never use. I certainly like the idea though. But I like the idea of keeping my media library portable as well, because I tend to travel.

I don't have any fancy audio equipment that can decode lossless audio so it is completely useless to me. Usually I just keep the native AC3 track, or convert the DTS or PCM tracks to AC3. I find that on my setup at the volume I use when I watch movies, I cannot tell the difference between DTS and AC3, especially if the AC3 track has been encoded from a DTS source. I listened to a TRUEHD track the other day on a friends system and then compared it to the AC3 core from the same track....not worth it. Slightly louder maybe on the lossless track. I can turn up the volume if need be

Besides...I've got this awesome processor that was designed to do this stuff. Might as well make use of it!
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Thank you both. Just what I've been looking at doing. As my wife likes to buy any DVD she wants to watch rather than rent it we literally have hundreds of DVD's cluttering up the house. Nice to always have a movie to watch but I end up spending 20 minutes searching the house for the one I'm after every time. lol. I'd just like to load them all to hard disk and then be able to share them with other computers in the house. Seems pretty simple but so far I've been rather underwhelmed with the results of the couple different programs I've tried. I really don't want to loose anything while doing it. Maintaining menu or at least chapters as well as sound and video quality is high on my wishlist.
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If you care about retaining DVD menus, then the only way to fly is AnyDVD...which does cost some money and is faster than makemkv.

If you only care about preserving chapters, then makemkv works great...and is free while in beta.

I generally could care less about most of the extras....so I just use makemkv to rip down the video, audio, chapter, and subtitle tracks that I like. The cool thing about mkv's is that you can have multiple subtitle and audio tracks in the container, so if there is a commentary track you can keep it in the same file and just select between the two when you open it.
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Seems pretty simple but so far I've been rather underwhelmed with the results of the couple different programs I've tried. I really don't want to loose anything while doing it. Maintaining menu or at least chapters as well as sound and video quality is high on my wishlist.
All of this is still heavily "hobbyist" territory, compared to say, ripping CDs. There are a lot of variables (DVD/BR, file share/streaming, device support) and pieces (ripping, tagging, browsing, playback), and the what standards there are remain in flux. That was part of what drove me to lossless ripping, at least I won't have to feed the disks again.

Some suggested places to learn more are avsforum.com, the forums for various software/hardware (makemkv, AnyDVD, Twonky, mediabrowser, WD Live, ...), google searches on software of interest, etc.

PM me if you want details of what I ended up using, but in no way do I claim it is the perfect solution, even for us. Kids think its cool, wife thinks I'm crazy...

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You know, having the flexibility of my 9 slot case (HAF X) is great especially since I'm about to upgrade here in about a month or so (adding a second and perhaps 3rd GTX 480 and maybe a 560ti for physx) and I know I'll be able to fit it all inside my case you know. No tin snip required (though I have them and a dremel just in case lol). I think that unless your moving your tower around a lot, that stepping up to a HAF X is a good idea as it'll give you a ton more room (and with more room means more inflow (usually) which leads to my next point) and cooling power so your components will stay much cooler and last longer for you. Also, the HAF X, much like everything else Cooler Master has put out in at least the past few years, is a very well made case that will last you for years if not a decade or 2 if you take care of it. Just some food for thought. Good luck on your upgrade/new build.

Hey thanks for the comments lawrence, giving it some thought for sure. I've been very happy with the CM cases I've dealt with recently. (Sniper, 690II,932) so HAFX is the front runner out of the gate I just want to do some checking to see what other options I have for a 9 slot case.

It will still be awhile before I rebuild. I'm not planning on a system upgrade until socket 2011 but hope to be ready to make the switch right out of the gate. So I still have a little time, I just try to plan ahead. Even when I do so it will be more of a mobo/chip upgrade and shuffle everything else around turning my 930 into a full time folder/backup/file server/media center, jack of all trades pc . If I decide to go ahead and swap cases out it will be sometime soon regardless of system upgrade timeline. At the moment I'm not sure I have too much need for that bottom slot other than I'd like to uncover a PCI slot but would love to be able to load it up with 3 GPU's about the time it hits full time folder status.


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If you care about retaining DVD menus, then the only way to fly is AnyDVD...which does cost some money and is faster than makemkv.

If you only care about preserving chapters, then makemkv works great...and is free while in beta.

I generally could care less about most of the extras....so I just use makemkv to rip down the video, audio, chapter, and subtitle tracks that I like. The cool thing about mkv's is that you can have multiple subtitle and audio tracks in the container, so if there is a commentary track you can keep it in the same file and just select between the two when you open it.
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All of this is still heavily "hobbyist" territory, compared to say, ripping CDs. There are a lot of variables (DVD/BR, file share/streaming, device support) and pieces (ripping, tagging, browsing, playback), and the what standards there are remain in flux. That was part of what drove me to lossless ripping, at least I won't have to feed the disks again.

Some suggested places to learn more are avsforum.com, the forums for various software/hardware (makemkv, AnyDVD, Twonky, mediabrowser, WD Live, ...), google searches on software of interest, etc.

PM me if you want details of what I ended up using, but in no way do I claim it is the perfect solution, even for us. Kids think its cool, wife thinks I'm crazy...

eric
Downloaded MakeMKV & xvid4psp as well as a trial version of AnyDVD. Haven't had time to mess with a ton but I can already see that they each have their benefits.

AnyDVD seemed like a quicker, simpler, one step process. It did leave me with multiple files to contend with (Video T_S). Results were exactly what I was after though.

MakeMKV & xvid4psp seemed a lot more customizable but is going to have quite a bit more of a learning curve to it. First try results weren't near the quality that I'm after, that was all user error though in selecting the wrong options.

Thanks again for the help. I'll quit thread jacking the club. Plan to check out the AVSforum and hopefully you guys won't mind if I shoot you a pm or two as I run into a few more questions regarding this stuff.
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Hey thanks for the comments lawrence, giving it some thought for sure. I've been very happy with the CM cases I've dealt with recently. (Sniper, 690II,932) so HAFX is the front runner out of the gate I just want to do some checking to see what other options I have for a 9 slot case.

It will still be awhile before I rebuild. I'm not planning on a system upgrade until socket 2011 but hope to be ready to make the switch right out of the gate. So I still have a little time, I just try to plan ahead. Even when I do so it will be more of a mobo/chip upgrade and shuffle everything else around turning my 930 into a full time folder/backup/file server/media center, jack of all trades pc . If I decide to go ahead and swap cases out it will be sometime soon regardless of system upgrade timeline. At the moment I'm not sure I have too much need for that bottom slot other than I'd like to uncover a PCI slot but would love to be able to load it up with 3 GPU's about the time it hits full time folder status.
That is exactly what I plan on doing when I upgrade my current computer either in late May or early June of this year. Of course I am not going as far as you are with the upgrade. Here's the list of parts I Plan on going with

1. Intel Core i7-970 or Intel Core i7-990X (most likely a 970 because of the unreal cost of a 990X)
2.A second (And perhaps third) eVGA GTX 480 SuperClocked
3. A Corsair AX1200 Professional Series 80 Plus Gold PSU
4. Creative PCI Express Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Champion Series Sound Card (the 5.25" I/O adapter really sold me on this one lol)
5.Samsung PX2370 2 2ms Full HD LED Back Light LCD Monitor (According to all of the reviews from various tech sites, it's supposed to be one of the best 23' monitors (That's not 3D of course) available right now)
6. SAMSUNG Black 12X BD-ROM 16X DVD-/+R 48X CD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-ray Drive Model SH-B123L/RSBP
7. and I am debating on either a Corsair CWCH60 Hydro Series H60 High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler or a CORSAIR Hydro H70 CWCH70 120mm High Performance CPU Cooler but at this point I am not sure if the H60 can keep up or beat a H70 if it has the proper fans in a push/pull config with shrouds or not.
8. And then of course there is a ASUS UL80 Series UL80JT-A2 Notebook w/ NVIDIA Optimus Intel Core i3 330UM(1.20GHz) 14" 4GB Memory DDR3 1066 500GB HDD 5400rpm DVD Super Multi NVIDIA GeForce 310M+Intel GMA HD That I am getting for my wife so that I can get all of the rest of this stuff without her getting pissed off at me for spending so much. She gave me a $1000 budget to buy her computer and by the time I am done buying her computer (with a 8GB ram upgrade and a 1TB HDD upgrade) and all the rest of the stuff I have listed I will have spent almost $3000. So the parts for the Home server will have to come 1 at a time over the course of the next few months. When I get all of that, I will be taking my Intel Core i7-930 out of my computer to replace it with the new CPU and I have a second Asus P6X58D Premium over here that I will put it in and combined with 6GB's of my 12GB kit of Corsair XMS3 DDR3 2000 (2GB X 3) (It was actually 2GB X 6 originally but I'll split it up for the two builds until I can get a nice 12 GB (3 X 4GB) kit later) @ 9-9-9-24-1T. I'll also need to get a new PSU (which I will get when I return my current on to newegg as they will give me a full refund from an RMA), Case, GPU/'s, and a buttload of HDD's for storage. Then I will be turning all of that into a home server/ dedicated Folding rig which I will store all of my music (I have over 80,000 songs), Pictures (I have tens of thousands of Pics), and movies (I have well over 100 movies in a digital form now and will transfer my collection of physical discs including my Bluray's (which is well over 500)to the server). Then I will connect it to my network and I can allow my friends and family access it all (or at least the parts that I want them to lol. Keep the X rated stuff under lock and key so the misses doesn't murder me when her grandpa accidentally finds our "Home videos" lol) via the internet from around the world. It's a great idea and I don't know why I haven't done it sooner. It'll also be nice to be able to play all my movies without having to use the disc's because I have 2 small children who love to destroy movies, Cd's, and computer software and games. So I guess it will be (In this order) a dedicated Folding rig, HTPC, Home Server, and Media Share PC all in one. If you need some help setting it up let me know man cause I will probably be done with mine by the time you get yours going. There are a ton of programs to use and the trick is finding the best ones within your budget (there are also a ton of free ones so that fits into anyone's budget lol).

If anyone else wants to do something like this then let me know. You don't need a very powerful computer at all to do it with (except for the folding part of course). In fact you can do it with an old PC you have laying around with a AMD Athlon or something in it. The biggest part is being able to house the HDD's you need to store all the media that you have. I am going to put between 6-10 TB's of storage for mine because Bluray's take a lot of space unless you strip them down which I am not going to do in case I want to make an "Archival" copy for later.

Sorry I wrote a novel here guys. I have had a bad habit of that lately. I haven't been on OCN that much lately and so I feel like I am making up for that by making one HUGE post instead of 20 small ones lol. Thanks for hanging in there and reading this guys (if you did of course) and I'm open for suggestions to alternate parts for my upgrade (preferably cheaper ones with better or comparable performance) and also if any of you have bought a H60 and used it with a Push/Pull config with shrouds (preferably on a Intel Core i7 chip) please PM me with your results or post them here if no one minds. I am really trying to do as much research as possible as I am almost spending as much as I did on my original build on this upgrade so I want the most bang for my buck you know?
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