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pauldovi - Pauldovi, I know you just copied it from the "baddest PC" thread, but please at least read and analayze a thread before you post generic specs. Here is a few reasons why that stuff isn't good for what he needs:

I've had Raptors in RAID-0 and it's not all it's cracked up to be. Not only is it not much faster (if at all), it doubles the chance of data loss. Saying it's as fast as a 15k SCSI drive is highly questionable. Water cooling will further unnecessarily complicate things. One leak and his business computer is toast. I've never done watercooling, and I'm not going to experiment on him. ...and SLI is a total waste of money considering what I said.

Lone136 - Thanks man. I'll do a little research and probably end up recommending those .

It seems like everyone assumed that pauldovi had it covered, but he really didn't at all. Can someone read it all and give some detailed advice?... perhaps answering my numbered points? Thanks .

Lilke I said, just because he has $4,500 doesn't mean he wants to blow it all. It's his max budget, not his required budget .
I did read the thread buddy... But when I say his limit and saw his what he wanted I think that is a good way to go. Of course SLI is not necessary, but I threw it out there, same with watercooling. When someone trys to help you out and you don't like their recommendations you don't say that. You just say thanks, but thats not what I'm looking. Thats just rude.
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I did read the thread buddy... But when I say his limit and saw his what he wanted I think that is a good way to go. Of course SLI is not necessary, but I threw it out there, same with watercooling. When someone trys to help you out and you don't like their recommendations you don't say that. You just say thanks, but thats not what I'm looking. Thats just rude.
I can tell you put effort and time into it...

However... I'm not sure how much thought you put into it. I think you need to take people's needs and money more seriously. Trying to help by giving poor advice is more hurtful than helpful, especially to an inexperienced builder. If you're going to recommend an entire system to someone in the future, please put more thought into it. Pasting up uberspecs without addressing someone's questions or needs and expecting thanks for that is somewhat irritating. You do not get thanks for that! I rep when someone answers my specific questions and answers them well with links if necessary.

Perhaps the reason I'm blunt is because I am taking this very seriously, and I take every build seriously... especially when I'm dealing with a friend and a friend's money. And frankly I didn't see a whole lot of trying unless by trying you mean cutting and pasting links (many of which don't work) to uberparts. Recommending watercooling to a noob is foolish. Recommending SLI to someone who is using this for data processing is foolish. Recommending a RAID-0 array when someone is going to use this for sensitive money-making business data is very very foolish! If anything it should be a single drive or a RAID-1 array! Like I said earlier, he has the money but that doesn't mean it should be wasted.

What if I'd taken your advice and one of the drives failed? All of a sudden he's lost irreplacable data, and it's because of your advice. What if the watercooling leaks? Same situation. I normally don't respond like this but if you give crap advice then moan about it when I don't praise you for it well... what do you expect?

>: o RAWR! This is the closest I've gotten to an all-out flame in a long time. Good advice or no advice!
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Guys, if you want to have a philosophical debate, please take it to PMs. Otherwise, please get back on the topic of building this killer rig.
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I'm a real n00b when it comes to Intel, and I'm not sure I even want to overclock this rig, because once I build it and send it off, I can't help him anymore, but he's an adult, he's a proficient programmer, and he's written a program for mass data processing and analyzation. What he's doing sounds a lot like folding.

He's given me a lot of stats, but it seems like perhaps he simply looked things up on the internet, found the most expensive thing he could find, and sent me the stats.

He is telling me how he wants 2MB of L2 cache and an L3 cache if possible... well... that's if Intel is preferable for him... Does what I described above sound optimal for Intel? He also says he wants dual core if possible... Well should I just ask him if his program is multi-threaded to see if that is optimal?

He's saying he wants a 15k SCSI drive so data transfer isn't limited. Is that the best option? I don't want to risk problems with something like a HyperDrive or I-RAM...

He says he's willing to spend 300 bucks on a graphics card... but from what he's describing, it doesn't seem like he really needs a very good graphics card at all.

He's willing to spend 300 bucks on a sound system, or something better if I convince him of it. I'm thinking of recommending my Z-5500s.

I don't know if he wants this rig to do Gaming and Home Theator too or what, but I don't want to waste his money just because he has it.

Soo....
1) Is Intel best for what I described in the first paragraph?
2) Is a 15k SCSI drive his best option for data transfer speed?
3) What's a gret SCSI controller card if so?
4) Do you think 2-4GB of RAM will benefit him? I don't know if he'd benefit more from speedy RAM or lots of it. Since he's doing large calculations more RAM would be better right?....
5) If he's not doing gaming then there's really no reason to splurge on a graphics card is there?
6) Have a favorite surround system? Recommend away.

I'm kind of excited about this . This rig is going to pwn.
1) Well if it sounds like folding, you can't match an intel. I would recommend the new presler core. I would keep it simple though, 920, not the top of the line, but we will spend our money somewhere else.
2) Yes, the Ultra 320Mbytes/sec SCSI is the top of the line interface. Though, i dont think this is your best solution in this case, because, you would have to wait for the drives to spin up when opening simple programs, there loud and repair prone.. Instead, i would aim for the 10k WD raptors.
3) If your going SCSI, for a controller card, Adaptec makes the best out there, here or take advantage of a PCI-x slot and get this
4) Yes, with the programs it seems like he is running, get More ram! I would recommend 4x sticks of these
5) Na, just pick up a 6600GT or somethin
6) I like Logitech, my brother has a set of these they sound crisp and have supurb bass.

Yea, you could spend more, wait, uh motherboard?
Make his comp look insane with this Gigabyte board or keep it simple with o' reliable Asus here

Edit: i'm not shure if HD space is a problem, but i almost forgot that Western Digital came out with their new 150GB HD, here
    
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I'm a real n00b when it comes to Intel, and I'm not sure I even want to overclock this rig, because once I build it and send it off, I can't help him anymore, but he's an adult, he's a proficient programmer, and he's written a program for mass data processing and analyzation. What he's doing sounds a lot like folding.

He's given me a lot of stats, but it seems like perhaps he simply looked things up on the internet, found the most expensive thing he could find, and sent me the stats.

He is telling me how he wants 2MB of L2 cache and an L3 cache if possible... well... that's if Intel is preferable for him... Does what I described above sound optimal for Intel? He also says he wants dual core if possible... Well should I just ask him if his program is multi-threaded to see if that is optimal?

He's saying he wants a 15k SCSI drive so data transfer isn't limited. Is that the best option? I don't want to risk problems with something like a HyperDrive or I-RAM...

He says he's willing to spend 300 bucks on a graphics card... but from what he's describing, it doesn't seem like he really needs a very good graphics card at all.

He's willing to spend 300 bucks on a sound system, or something better if I convince him of it. I'm thinking of recommending my Z-5500s.

I don't know if he wants this rig to do Gaming and Home Theator too or what, but I don't want to waste his money just because he has it.

Soo....
1) Is Intel best for what I described in the first paragraph?
2) Is a 15k SCSI drive his best option for data transfer speed?
3) What's a gret SCSI controller card if so?
4) Do you think 2-4GB of RAM will benefit him? I don't know if he'd benefit more from speedy RAM or lots of it. Since he's doing large calculations more RAM would be better right?....
5) If he's not doing gaming then there's really no reason to splurge on a graphics card is there?
6) Have a favorite surround system? Recommend away.

I'm kind of excited about this . This rig is going to pwn.

Hi, how about this.

Mb: Asus P5WD2-E Premium

Memory: 2x Corsair TWIN2X 6400PRO DDR2 2048MB =4x 1gb 800 mhz
or Corsair TWIN2X 8000UL DDR2, 1024MB x2 =2 gb of 1 ghz ram

Harddrive: alright... im a big fan of raid. so get yourself 4x raptor 150 gb in a
raid -1 safe and powerful. 300 gb of pure power ( with backup 300gb)

cpu: The P 950 D should cover your needs

Chassi: Get the Lian Li pc 767, ( im using it.) Nice design. good space, really good quality.

Graphics: Since you dont need game power, get a 7800 gt or gtx, no need for sli, expensive and without watercooling... LOUD!

Sound : Creative SB X-Fi Fatal1ty

Stock cooling works, but recomended to change to something less loud,,

Good luck anyway, Post the system when you have decided on the specs.
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