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So nobody here uses zonealarm?! Has anyone had any problems like me or any other ones using za in this ssd set up? Someone here has to know something, I'd appreciate the help with reps.
in the settings Internet Security under ZA - what is your level?

set it at Medium

see if it works.
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So nobody here uses zonealarm?! Has anyone had any problems like me or any other ones using za in this ssd set up? Someone here has to know something, I'd appreciate the help with reps.
Where did you install ZA?
post #593 of 779
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Originally Posted by TwoCables View Post
This.

With all due respect to my beloved OCN brother KShirza1, I do not like this thread at all. It has been a thorn in my side ever since it was created! I mean, ever since it was created, I've handled at least a few dozen threads and private messages from people complaining about major problems that were caused by following this guide (problems that rendered their system completely unusable). It has reached a point where I usually know whether or not they followed this guide without even asking them (that is, if they don't tell me right away that they followed this guide). So how did I solve each of their problems? It was the same for every single person: by having them format and start over without following this guide at all. In other words, the solution was formatting, starting over, and keeping it simple!

Just as Infected Rat said, the only reason why some people are drawn to this thread is because the title has the words "SSD" and "optimization" in it. Not only that, but now the OP of this thread has "OCN Thread of the month - June 2011" at the top! Sigh.


This "guide" over-complicates everything to the extreme, and therefore it is overwhelming. That is just one of the reasons why these people I helped end up with nothing but problems after following it!

Seriously, setting up a system that has just one solid state drive and just one hard disk drive is extremely simple:
  1. Make sure AHCI mode is enabled
  2. Leave the hard drive disconnected during the installation of Windows (to avoid having the boot sector placed onto the hard drive)
  3. Install Windows onto the solid state drive
  4. When finished, shut down
  5. Connect the hard drive
  6. Turn your system back on and enjoy it as you see fit

With today's solid state drives and even the Indilinx Barefoot drives like the original Vertex, we are free to just do the above 6 steps and leave it be. It is just as Infected Rat said:

"This guide was most valid back with the first and second generations of SSDs where a 40GB drive was the norm. The extreme panic to restrict the number of writes to your drive is entirely overstated. Just use and enjoy your drive."

Therefore, the name of the game is to keep it simple, just like we used to back in the days before solid state drives existed. If you keep it simple, then both you and your system will be happy. Although, if you absolutely must do some tweaking for your own peace of mind, then do it to free up space!

For example:

Move the default location of any folder inside of "C:\\Users\\You" without touching the Registry:
  1. Right-click the folder (e.g. My Documents)
  2. Choose Properties
  3. Switch to the "Location" tab
  4. The rest should become self-explanatory.


Another, of course, is disabling System Restore. You can also disable Hibernation and maybe even the Paging File.

Now let me contradict my "keep it simple" sermon for just one moment: I do recommend one thing that can seem complicated but is actually pretty easy, and that is making sure the SSD is properly aligned to 1024 K. I can provide instructions upon request because I do not recommend looking at my instructions in the "Win 7 SSD's Setup and Secrets" thread because I didn't write them very well back then.

However, there is really nothing that absolutely must be done! Today's solid state drives are not as fragile as all of these guides make them out to be! They were designed to be used, so just use them! If all of these tweaks were necessary, then don't you think the manufacturers would be making absolutely sure that we do them by including some kind of highlighted documentation in the boxes?

Again, if all of these tweaks were necessary, then don't you think the manufacturers would be making absolutely sure that we do them by including some kind of highlighted documentation in the boxes?

Yes, I repeated myself on purpose because I feel that it is worth repeating that question.

To quote our brother Tw33k:

There are no "tweaks" to speed up an SSD. They're already fast! What more do you want??

Seriously: just keep it simple. There are no absolutely-necessary tweaks! Yes, some are quite desirable, but none of them are necessary. Yes, it's good to enable AHCI mode if you have it, yes it is good to make sure your SSD is aligned to 1024 K, and yes it is good to make sure that the Windows Defragger is not scheduled to defrag your SSD, but that's about it. The rest are even more optional than that. Some tweaks will seem necessary to some people due to space restrictions, but that's where it ends.



So now I suppose you might want to ask: "but TwoCables, what about actually disabling the Windows Defragger?" Ok, that's a valid question: yes, I guess it's easier to simply disable it. Or, at least make sure it's not sometimes trying to "defrag" your SSD. Besides, if you have 1 solid state drive and 1 hard drive, then you can get some very good free third-party defragging software like Auslogics Disk Defrag.

Then I guess another question is "but TwoCables, what about TRIM?". It seems to me like this is not really an issue anymore unless you connect your drive to one of those damn Marvell-controlled SATA ports, or if you decide to have your SSDs in a RAID setup.

Another question I think someone might want to ask me is "what about Secure Erase?". My answer to that is "only if you're formatting and starting over after using your SSD quite heavily".

I know that I appear to be contradicting myself because I seem to be heavily involved in the "Win 7 SSD's Setup and Secrets" thread as well as in magic-man's thread entitled "Tutorials: Real world Windows 7 SSD tweaks and optimization", but also take notice of how I have been posting less and less in those threads. The reason is because I have since learned that if we have a relatively modern solid state drive (like an original Vertex or newer), then we don't need to do much tweaking at all unless it is for the sake of freeing up space.

Now, I still do some of the recommended tweaks because I think they're kinda fun to do even though I know they're a waste of my time. It also kinda gives me something to do after I am all done formatting and starting over.


Anyway, let me just summarize this whole thing by saying it one last time: keep it simple! For the most part, just treat your SSD like you've treated your HDDs all these years and you will be just fine.
Thanks for the tips. I'll try it soon to see how it all works.
post #594 of 779
I'm in the process of setting up a computer I've built for my dad. I'm going through the registery making the reccomended changes (F3, double click the highlighted value and change the drive/user name). But I've run across a problem. It highlites a string and I can't change the drive letter. Here's where I'm at:



I can't change the value name. I can change it if I select "Rename" instead of "Modify" which I think is the right process but I'm just unsure.
post #595 of 779
^ you shouldn't have to change the name, only the value data. Now, why the value data is blank, it beats me, that never happened to me. Did you follow the guide step by step?
post #596 of 779
First off, awesome guide bro.
i just finished doing this last night and only have one issue.
The desktop selection isn't in the left side of the explorer anymore.
How do i restore that?
i like having it there but it is not a necessity...just curious if anyone has had this same problem.
post #597 of 779
It's a very common flaw in this guide. Many people encounter this problem. You can fix it by creatign a new user and deleting the old one.

Much better and trouble free guide which gives the same result is this one - http://www.overclock.net/ssd/1133113...ista-user.html
post #598 of 779
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Originally Posted by XSCounter View Post
It's a very common flaw in this guide. Many people encounter this problem. You can fix it by creatign a new user and deleting the old one.

Much better and trouble free guide which gives the same result is this one - http://www.overclock.net/ssd/1133113...ista-user.html
so, all i gotta do is create a new one and delete the old and then change all the registry to new user name?

EDIT: Just read that other guide in whole and i think i'll be redoing this. It seems to be much more organized and proffesional. thanks for the link bud...rep+
Edited by Hazzeedayz - 11/4/11 at 8:29am
post #599 of 779
I think I didn't even change anything in the registry when I had the same problem, can't remember.
post #600 of 779
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Originally Posted by Hazzeedayz View Post
so, all i gotta do is create a new one and delete the old and then change all the registry to new user name?

EDIT: Just read that other guide in whole and i think i'll be redoing this. It seems to be much more organized and proffesional. thanks for the link bud...rep+
You shouldn't, since you already told windows where to create all new users through the registry.
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