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My new build took longer than I thought. I finally have all the hardware assembled. And when Windows 7 is ordered and arrives I can focus on this. I hadn't looked at this thread in a few months and just caught up to the most current posts.

It is not entirely clear (which could be my needing to read it ALL again) what is about actual problems on install and what is about philosophies like "well you don't really need to worry about space so why bother." And dare I say there are some egos on board?

As I posted some months back, I bought an SSD for the speed it will bring to booting and running the OS. But my wanting the OS physically separated from data has nothing to do with the C: boot drive being an SSD and having space constraints. It wouldn't matter if there were cheap 2TB SSDs. I have separated OS and data as well as programs for several years using separate physical HDDs (programs on a logical partition of a separate physical device). There is no conceptual change, only the physical change that now C: is solid state.

The reason is data and program security. I decided on this setup after trying to download XP SP2 crashed my whole system and I spent days getting it back up and running and had to pull all my data off a single physical drive so I could re-format it and install a new retail purchase of XP on it. I decided never again. I never want my data vulnerable on a boot drive that may have to be wiped. It really doesn't matter if it was because of ancient hardware, a freak occurrence in downloading, the MS curse. or my error or ignorance. I need security from all of them. Reading this thread and all the troubles people have had with this setup tells me not much has really changed. The boot drive may have to be wiped... during a troublesome install or some day because a dog howled at the moon.

So what matters to me is understanding and being able to move whatever Windows 7 components (folders or anything else) I need to move from C: to D: (or any other separate physical drive letters); and understanding what Windows 7 adjustments or "tweaks" I need to make on C: to make it all work. Except for not de-fragging, it seems incidental that C: is an SSD.

I'll be upgrading a lot of programs to become current and run in 64 bit and I will have legacy programs that I'll have to test in XP Emulator. If they run, OK otherwise I may have to keep a legacy XP machine and network it. I'll figure out what my total program space requirements are and then decide whether programs are on the SSD to take advantage of speed or on a separate physical device (or logical partition thereof). I know a lot of the folks here are gamers who have particular performance concerns, but the only game I play is Freecell. There are probably a few others installed, like Solitaire, that I don't run. In any case I'm unconcerned about where they live.

I'm happy for any insights from the forum. I'll have to re-read this whole thread. And the referenced guides. And do a broader search for other guidance. If I come up with anything enlightening I'll report back.

Just look over my guide, this is useless for windows 7 optimization.
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Just look over my guide, this is useless for windows 7 optimization.

I will definitely be looking at your guide and others Sean. But I need you to explain what you describe as "Windows 7 optimization" and if it's the same as I described as my objective.

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I thought I followed your instructions to the letter, but I must have done something wrong. Computer runs great, but if I reboot or just shut it down and restart later, this is what is happening to my system.
I have icons on desktop I can not delete, when I try I get the message. Could not find this item, This is no longer located on Desktop. Verify the item's location and try again.
Also when I restart my computer I loose all my bookmarks on firefox, I have to setup my email accounts again in thunderbird. I installed Quicken also the program is still there but I have to do a restore from my saves.
My ssd is drive C:, secondary hd is B: I setup profiles like you did using Pro, and then my name for second profile. I installed Firefox, Thunderbird, and Quicken on B: HD. I was logged on to Pro profile when I installed them and just changed the drive letter on where to install them.
Also does it matter which profile I log into to get on computer to do whatever, play games, quicken, internet?
If I did do something wrong on optimization, can I go back through your instructions logged on as Pro and re-do the setting in registry and such without having to re-install OS?
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My ssd is drive C:, secondary hd is B:


This is all helpful to me Milkbone, getting my head around things for when I try this in the next month or so.

I have no idea if this is any real issue these days... but back in the dark ages A and B were FDDs. Come to think of it those Apple IIs and II+s could add more floppies in alpha sequence (at a whopping 134k each). The first PCs also came with two FDDs, A and B, one for programs, one for data. When the IMB PC XT came out with a (whole 10MB) HDD it was called C. A and B were still reserved for FDDs. And when HDDs became standard rather than optional, C was the default standard for the boot drive and remains so today (unless the system searched A first). So then secondary HDDs started at D (A, B and C being reserved). Then optical drives picked their spot after D. And the removable media did the same. So I'm wondering if the B name on your HDD is a problem because some relic code inside Windows wants it to be a FDD.

Maybe totally off base, but thought I'd mention it.
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Hi KShirza1, firstly may I just say thanks for the guide...it really helped me out with my new SSD It was very clear and helpful!

I just joined this forum and I did it just to say one thing which could help out many people following your guide. It is regarding "Audit Mode" in Win7 and I've noticed a few ppl mentioning it in this thread.
Basically when someone is installing Win7 and they get to the stage in the setup where they need to enter their username, they do not need to do so. Instead they can enter Audit Mode by pressing Ctrl+Shift+F3. This creates a temporary administrator account (much like the "pro" account that you said you created as a temporary account to move across the folders to the secondary HDD and edit the registry)...everytime the PC is started it will enter in "Audit Mode" until the user is ready to resume the Win7 setup. When the user does decide to resume the Win7 setup/config then it automatically deletes all traces of the temporary account it created. The best thing about this is that when you go to resume the setup you just enter your name/account and it installs all the personal folders on the secondary hdd (thanks to those first 3 registry tweaks in your guide) and cleans up the mess of that temporary account . After this no more registry changes are needed...it makes your guide a little more simple and quicker.

Using the way I've outlined, the guide would go like this:
1. When installing Windows 7 and you get to the point in the installation asking for a user name and pc name, don't type in your user name or create a user. Instead, login using Ctrl+Shift+F3 to enter "Audit Mode". Just close the GUI popup mentioning "Out of Box Experience" (OOBE).

2. Now change the folder options to "show all hidden files and folders".

3. Create primary partition on your secondary hard disc in disc manager (drive X).

4. On the secondary HDD create 3 new folders named "Users", "Program Files" and "Program Files (x86)". The users folder will be replacing the old one on the C: drive. The program file folders will make it easy when installing game and apps by simply changing the drive letter during software installation in the future.

5. Open C:\Users\ and move the "Default" folder and "Public" folder to X:\Users\ folder that you made in step 4.

6. Enter regedit and navigate to:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\ProfileList

Look for "Default", "ProfilesDirectory" and "Public" on the right. Change these entries to use Drive X (i.e. where you see "%SystemDrive%", replace with "X:" without quotes)

7. Reboot computer...choose OOBE in the GUI (don't tick generalise) and reboot. This will resume your Win7 setup, prompting you to now create your user account by entering your user name.

8. After finishing setup you can delete the "C:\Users" folder if you want to with no problems. If you want to search the registry at this point you can check everything has changed to the secondary HDD and the Audit Mode admin account has been deleted...do a search for "C:\users" and it may find some entries. If you find entries change the "C" to "X" or whatever you let your drive letter be. You can also try search "Users/Administrator" and it should find nothing.

Just thought I'd mention it...and if you already knew all this then I'm sorry for wasting your time....just trying to help. Maybe others can comment if they have used Audit Mode like i did?
Edited by pauloz1890 - 2/25/12 at 6:11pm
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OR you could just install Win7 on the SSD and activate the SATA HDD in Device Manager. . . . . . . .
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I appreciate this guide. I've used it on 4 builds. The last time, though, I was having trouble. I couldn't remember the tweaks that I had to use to make this guide work for me. #1, don't delete the files when you delete the user or you'll be starting from scratch again.

What make this WAY easier was following pauloz1890 a couple of posts up. His guide made this a lot faster and much simpler.

However, after deleting the C:\users folder, I did search the registry and find a few entries that needed changing to the secondary hard drive, but it was only a few of them so still way faster. I'll be using pauloz1890's guide moving forward.
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I appreciate this guide. I've used it on 4 builds. The last time, though, I was having trouble. I couldn't remember the tweaks that I had to use to make this guide work for me. #1, don't delete the files when you delete the user or you'll be starting from scratch again.
What make this WAY easier was following pauloz1890 a couple of posts up. His guide made this a lot faster and much simpler.
However, after deleting the C:\users folder, I did search the registry and find a few entries that needed changing to the secondary hard drive, but it was only a few of them so still way faster. I'll be using pauloz1890's guide moving forward.

Ah ok that didn't happen to me for some reason...but I'll be sure to edit my post. thumb.gif
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Thx for this thread, I know I'm late. and if this is in the wrong place I'll move this post.

I followed KSHIRZA1, and Pauloz1890 advice, and I belive its working well so far, 1st day adding programs.

I have a question/problem with a game I'm trying to install to the C; drive (eveonline).

I'm adding this game by copying the files directly from another hard drive. The 1st file CCP copies easily to the c: drive and it is the main file. My problem comes with tht 2nd file that originally comes off of Users/[username]/AppData/Local/ (CCP), I am not sure where to put this and if the main CCP folder and .exe will recognize where it is. I believe this file is the personal data file though I'm not sure.

I've tried contacting EVE for help but they can't even get their installer to work (thats why I had to copy the game) let alone work on anything as specific as this.

Any help would be appreciated.
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Hello All. Idk if this thread is dead or not, its been a few weeks since a new post has been posted and it certainly has gone on a long time.

Anyway, I searched on google how to setup a SSD and HDD and I found a link to this post. I ran through all the steps listed but got to a critical error. My error is when I try to log on to the new username that I haven't yet logged on to, I get the failure message, "The User Profile Service failed the logon".

I am attributing this error to the fact that I could not find a folder named "Default" in my C:/User folder. I did the show hidden folders step as shown. When I type in C:/Users/Default I am able to access the folder but all the folders in that file are empty. The only files that are shown in my C:/Users file are "Public" and "Setup" (the name I chose for my setup profile instead of pro) which has a locker lock looking thing shown on the file. I am confused as to what I am doing wrong here.

I did a little more searching around and found one of the many different ways to use the extra HDD. It states that you can do a file extension using a shell extension program. I don't know if that would be easier to do in my situation or not.

Basicially what I am trying to accomplish is this, I have a Crucial 128GB SSD and a Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB HDD. I want to run programs from the HDD in order to save space on the SSD. Given that I have a 128GB would you all recommend to just store music, movie, documents, etc on the HDD and just keep programs on the SSD because it is somewhat large? I just don't want to run out of space down the road.

I'd appreciate any thoughts on the matter. I apologize if any of my questions have already been answered in this thread. I did do a lot of searching, but the thread is 650 posts in length lol.
 
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